Good afternoon or good morning, welcome to the Talking Freight seminar series. My name is Jocelyn Bauer.
Today's topic is planning for hazardous materials.
Please be advised that today's seminar is being recorded.
Today, we will have three presenters. Ron Dych, Reggie Dunn and John Allen of Battelle. Ron Dych has the 30 years of experience in the area of transportation.
During this time, Ron has worked as a consultant to private industry in the federal government. Currently, as a senior [ Indiscernible ] at the Bureau of Transportation statistics.
BTS his work at BTA BTS has been focused with [ Indiscernible ] of the transportation network.
In the past years, he worked with hazardous materials safety data. The processor to the pipeline will succeed Mr. Shad. In the mid-1990s,
he designed the collection methodology for the hazardous materials in the Commodity flows survey as well as developing the tabulations and designing the tables for the hazardous materials report.
Reginald Dunn is a transportation specialist with the U.S. Department of Transportation. He has worked with PHMSA for over 8 years and is then have lifted restrictions team National area coordinator. As a member of the Assistance Team, Mr.
Dunne is dedicated to providing out reach through the nation. To increase communication and education. This requires interaction and coordination with the modal administration industry associations and state
and local government associations.
In this capacity, Mr. Dunne provide outreach to the hazardous materials communities in the Washington area, including the District of Columbia, Virginia and Maryland.
He served in the United States army. He provided has met logistics' support activities. He volunteered to participate and Operation Desert shield and Desert storm John Allen has 23 years' experience in transportation planning
and management both with the government and private sector. Mr. Allen has been a vice president in the transportation of -- sector of Battelle. He is responsible for managing surface Transportation Safety Research projects,
including hazardous materials transportation for Battelle. He spent seven years with the announced its Department of transportation as a regulations and policy analyst with the research to smack.
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let's begin. For those of you have just joined, today's topic is planning for hazardous materials. Our first presenter will be Ron Dych of the Bureau of Transportation statistics.
If you think of questions during this presentation or during any of the other presentations, please take them into the chat area. Questions will be answered and the last 30 minutes of the summer -- the seminar. Let's get on a set up here.
Thank you. I am happy to be here today. Let me go through a few slides for you out in the audience. I would like to first,
I'd be negligent in not initially think Jennifer Brady of the Bureau of Transportation statistics to help to me prepare these and helped an awful lot and the entire presentation. My first slide,
would like to start with the history of the federal government's involvement and hazardous materials transportation.
And I noticed that only had six bullets on this slide, but, when I first went through this presentation and a drought to run,
I spent an awful lot of time talking about these six boats because it represents 140 years of the federal government's involvement in HazMat transportation.
It goes all the way back to [ Indiscernible ] this must apply to the massive transportation that existed back then, steamship lines and roads,
which was followed a few years afterwards [ Indiscernible ] [ Indiscernible ] it was the primary transportation agency in the federal government, it was the first regulatory agency. That was the son said in general first 1996,
but it still lives on as ICC lite, which now is pretty much devoted exclusively to a real roots. In 1998, the combustibles Act was directed to the railroads, which was the only motive transportation at the time,
and this act as far as hazardous materials are concerned address the packaging, handling and the loading of HazMat, which is what much of the regulations that exist today are concerned with. So that goes back almost 100 years.
I'm not sure what HazMat was back then, but they're certainly much more limited. This awful lot of chemicals that have been developed. In 1911, the regulations pertaining to these procedures were adopted by the ICC
and the ICC began the regulation of hazardous materials transportation as we know it today. Of course, no, we have the department transportation and since the mid-1800s, I think I've read somewhere that there were 14 proposals,
no less than 14 proposals in Congress to create the DOT. The law was passed in 66. Since then, I know many of you are from the state and local areas, agencies, I should say.
The states have than to establish their own departments of transportation. Many of them have been developed off of the power systems -- highway systems. Recently, we have an entire set of laws,
and laws that we have today regarding transportation was first initiated as the transportation materials act. That was the foundation for the laws that exist today.
That was followed by an Act in 1990 called the hazardous materials uniform safety act. And then just last year, safe, I can Honorable flexible transportation was passed in legacy for users is the last part of it.
And that had a number of research provisions and there that the audience might find quite interesting. I know John is going to speak about that later on in his presentation.
And going to start here with discussing the incident and accident data that exists today in hazardous materials transportation. This imposing chart here, also known as the mountain, is a chart of the number of incidents
and accidents that are recorded in the hazardous materials information reporting system that exists here in the Department of transportation. In this is a PHMSA [ Indiscernible ]. This is one of the first, this data set to,
within the hazardous materials information system was one of the first if not the first seed the database at the DOT. It started late in the fall of 1970. And you'll see the first full year of incidents from 1971. But,
other 60 databases here in the DOT, many of which you are may be familiar with, this is the fatality accident reporting System Toch FRA's [ Indiscernible ] started in 1975. This is one of the oldest ones and the department.
The changes in the annual number of incidents that you see, it looks very erratic. There are primarily due to changes in regulation and then some enforcement actions. The up and down part of this graph really shows mostly the number,
the incidents involving leaking packages and relatively minor incidents that have occurred. You'll see in some upcoming graphs and that the major incidents have that -- remain pretty steady in recent years and, really,
throughout the data set at about 400 or so in a year. This data set includes attributes like states, cities, locations, so, for those of you that might be interested in that aspect of it, commodity types or HazMat types, I should say.
These are all attributes of the data set, types of packaging that was involved in this data set is available to the public.
My next slide is a subset of the data set you just saw. What this slide shows is serious verses other incidents. By serious incidents, and I apologize for the very fine print at the bottom of the slide,
but we simply did not have enough space to have the font and larger. Serious incidents really represent things like accidents or incidents that include deaths, derailment this, evacuation's
or releases of large materials -- large amount of material. As you can see, the serious incidents represent a small percentage. It's about three% each year. And the actual numbers are in the 400 torso.
This is for all modes of transportation.
The greatest number normally occur in of a high women.
This is all -- it points out what's known in the business as the low probability, high consequence event. In other words, the whole safety program assisted with HazMat is concerned with trying to prevent those catastrophic accidents
or incidents that occur infrequently, but represents major loss of life or property.
This next slide breaks out again the subset of the previous slide, and these are the number of reported fatalities going back 10 years, I guess. What we're trying to show by this flood is that -- by this slight,
[ Indiscernible ] for those not well represented or demonstrated in this light, you see in 1996, there was the incident involving the ValuJet crash in Florida's Everglades. That one incident represented 110 deaths.
There were 120 deaths and the country that year due to hazardous materials. But, 10 of them involved, 11 of them involved single fatalities. This represented, this one incident represented 110 deaths. On the other end of the graph,
just last year and 2005, there was a large railroad derailment down in South Carolina involving chlorine, where nine people were killed in South Carolina. But, again,
about half of the deaths just last year were really represented by only three incidents.
I am switching gears and I'm going to what is called a the denominator values, the flow data regarding hazardous materials. And the Commodity flow survey,
which is jointly conducted by the Bureau of Transportation statistics in the Census Bureau, we find it at an 80% level, is really the major source of HazMat flows and the country on a national basis,
but specifically it's the only source of has meant -- HazMat flows for the highway and road. The total funding for this survey in the next door on which is scheduled to begin next year, is somewhere around $25 million. It's the fourth
and a series of surveys that were conducted in 1993, 97 and 2002. This is part of the Census Bureau's economic census. Here in 2007, we are planning to improve the HazMat component of it.
Have made an effort to it over sample some industries that ship hazardous materials, especially those that ship 100% HazMat to try to include the quality of the day and also the volume of the dancing and this survey.
The survey will be conducted by the Census Bureau with our funding, but it comes out of the Census Bureau's Business Register of about 753,000 companies or establishments as they say out of the Census Bureau
and 100,000 of these will be asserted. This is a mandatory reporting requirement and it's part of -- assisted with the survey and this is part of the Census Bureau's census that is conducted every five years.
[ Indiscernible ] with the initial survey starting one year late. The Commodity survey has a number of shipment characteristics. It produces data on the value of tons, ton miles an values per shipment.
Using the HazMat regulatory structure, the class and the division and they UN number of the materials being shipped are also in this report.
These are often tables by the toxic [ Indiscernible ] there is one table that does exist in the HazMat report and there is another example of that. Of course,
the major states that are perpetual chemical states will see a lot of it HazMat being shipped into and out of them.
And then, of course, there's also the aspect of population.
There's a lot of gasoline moving wherever there's a large population.
This does not tell you, however, let the through traffic is in any given locality or state. These are the uses that are associated with this hazardous materials report. We try to identify and flows and exposure by mode with this report,
and these data are often used here at the federal level for policy development as imported to rule makings and is to help with planning various programs assisted with safety or no, unfortunately, security.
This is used to redress public safety concerns.
These data are important because there used as a denominator with the incident or accident data in developing ratios and looking at risks for analyses. Security assessments, these data are often used to represent exposure did it.
There are good sources of HazMat load date and in the trail and in the water modes. But, when it comes to trucking which represents the majority of what moves in HazMat, the so the only data that I know of that are available.
It also helps with the emergency response prepared as -- prepared Mr. Know what types of materials are moving on the nation's transportation system.
The commodities service is not all inclusive. Doesn't serve at all sectors of the economy but it captures the great majority, mining, manufacturing, wholesale
and of salaries which would be associated with establishing this -- is still the chance. As you can see, this graph points out the basic nature of hazardous materials.
There are basic commodities. The value is often a relatively low, but the tonnage is great. These are either chemicals or petroleum products -- products. We might think gasoline as pretty expensive.
They tend to move their months of distances and that's why you will see the miles of it over the value part. The production facilities, the refineries,
the chemical plant that produces these types of materials are often clustered in certain sectors, some of you who live in the Gulf Coast and New Jersey are aware of that fact.
Could this graph sorts out the same type of data the we have been looking at, the Commodity flows service and hazardous materials As you can see, a truck represents the majority of the tonnage being shipped.
Most of this is local delivery. Gasoline and most petroleum products move long distances by pipeline, but then, of course, some high vas to get to that gas station.
The way it does that is by a truck. The pipeline is represented almost entirely by petroleum products and represents a huge amount of tonnage, but not nearly as much as the truck that brings it to you.
This next graph shows the same data broken out by ton miles. Rail is used because of the basic nature of the material and the relatively low value is used to transport HazMat long distances, as is water. The truck,
even though it represents the majority of ton miles of hazardous materials being shipped, it is 20% -- 20 percentage points less than the actual tonnage of the previous graph. All other represents 10 miles and the pipeline mood,
but it is hard to put a number on that because the [ Indiscernible ] [ Indiscernible ] materials moving through the pipeline. If a certain amount of gasoline or petroleum pipeline is put into the pipeline in Texas,
it doesn't necessarily mean that the same shipment of gasoline as taken out at the end over here in Virginia or wherever it goes it's much like putting green in a grain silo.
You are not exactly certain what is being pulled out [ Indiscernible ] it's not the same that was placed in a by the farmer.
This is my next-to-last slide in the wanted to make a couple of summary points and let those of you who have tuned in have some take away, and that is safety has historically been the focus of the federal government.
As I said before, it goes back a long way, in century's, one of the first safety programs of the government has been concerned with and regards fish -- to transportation [ Indiscernible ] a major concern and issue,
there been a number of initiatives taken on the federal level to try to anticipate any issues that might occur in this area and of a picture and then, incident and accidents HazMat data are available from the HMIS.
This is a public data set. You can take a load of -- look at this. I hope I am not stealing any of Reggie's blunder here.
My final point is that hazardous materials did are also available on and national level, there are some state and local reports within the Commodity flow survey, but those data too not break out very well hazardous materials.
Highway HazMat and floated is very sparse on the state and local level, and I wanted to make this point clear and wrapping up,
because one of the most common questions I get here in the building from the outside is can you tell me what is moving to my school district, state, town or my city? And we can't that the federal level,
and I usually refer those people who are trying to get a handle on that, to somewhere at local level. Usually, they are working with the national numbers. These data are available from to Web sites. The BTS Web sites
and also at the Census Bureau Web site. You will see those at the bottom of this slide. And here is my contact information. And I think you for taking the time to listen today
and if you have any questions I will be happy to answer them at the end of this seminar. Thank you very much.
Alright, thank you Mr. Dych picker just a reminder, at any time, you can type in a question you have into that chat box there and we will use this for the questions and answers session during the last 30 minutes of the seminar.
[ Indiscernible ] now let's move on to a Reggie done. I will pull up your slides here and get you ready.
I think we are ready for Year.
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During this session, will be addressing what we do, who we are, who are does customers are, how we determine training needs and priorities and how we reach out to all of our customers. PHMSA was formerly the Research
and Special programs Administration which a lot of you people may know as RSPA. In 2005, it was recognized and established as two administrations, the research and innovations technology ministration,
which you heard of it with the last slide, was one administration that came from . The other one is poplin hazardous materials safety metrician. Hazardous materials
and training as part of the office of safety was part of the same transportation of hazardous materials for highway, rail and vessels.
In the United States Department transportation, PHMSA has a public responsibility for safe and secure movement of hazardous materials to industry and consumers buy all transportation modes, to include the national pipeline.
The standards used to regulate the transportation of hazardous materials are written, issued and revise by PHMSA. [ Indiscernible ]
Other modes of demonstration such as the Federal Aviation Mr. Shin, [ Indiscernible ] all work to assure the safe transportation of hazardous materials.
That's one of the ways that we come up with -- under one roof as far as the DOT is concerned.
[ Indiscernible ] responsibilities that support the safe transportation of hazardous materials. Standard office rights
and maintains a hazardous materials regulations which we affectionately call them our reg writers in national office works towards the homogenization with international standards because since I represent the training
and initiative branch I will provide information on how we promote the safe transportation of hazardous materials.
I do believe I may have failed to mention the hazardous materials preparedness grant that is also a part of our PHMSA. My apologies for that.
Who are our customers? They consist of carriers, shippers, package manufacturers, recondition years and state and local governments such as.
As far as the safety assistance team is concerned, anybody that deals with hazardous materials that comes in contact with hazardous materials,
the once to learn how to transport hazardous materials safely through of the United States action becomes part of our customers.
So, that's just to name a few, but that's not just limited too. So, anybody that wants to know about hazardous material safety, they become part of our customers .
Different factors play a part in determining training requirements in the programs and materials developed to reach the HazMat community. And most of this training materials and publications,
if not all of them are developed within the Office of hazardous materials initiatives in training. In 2005, Congress initiated new criteria, which determine when a farmer was required to have a security plan.
[ Indiscernible ] to reach the agricultural industry. If I'm not mistaken, [ Indiscernible ]
That brochure has been completed and it will be out shortly. Be available on our web site. I will touch base on a little bit further into the program are training materials are developed to assist in understanding the dishes
and then hazardous materials rules. When standards change, [ Indiscernible ] in fact do suspect brochures are about.
The wetlands brochure was developed because of a proposed rule that was rescinded in the needs to provide first respondents with important commission regarding response was needed.
The brochure learned [ Indiscernible ] as to how much fuel may be present and precaution and approaching if involved in an incident.
[ Indiscernible ] imminent dangers [ Indiscernible ] immediate notice [ Indiscernible ] ethanol or 85%, which alerts firefighters to the different phones used .
Anytime there is an incident or an accident and you have these different mitigating circumstances, a lot of times, our office will develop a safety brochure to get the information out to our customers, to our participants,
to everybody involved. That is one of the things that our office is responsible for. That is alerting the public to safety.
When the HazMat is needed and identified, that is when we go into action. The various ways that we go into action, one way is our multi modal seminars, we put on free seminars every year. Is to before, but we still it to three.
We also put on [ Indiscernible ] those are put on and the various regions in the various states. I do believe for the fiscal year 2007, I think we have about 13 workshops right now, that are planned for 2007. But,
it will be limited to that amount. Wherever there is a need or if the state wants to have a workshop, then we will put on a workshop. But will put on a workshop under what is called HMT Sales. Like your state enforcement offices,
if they put in their quest for it, that is what we will do. Another way that we reach our customers is through the dissemination of our publications. I will touch base on the exact publications, but as you can see on this side,
you can see our HazMat that information back, our [ Indiscernible ], one particular manual that is on their it that is dear
and true to my heart is how to use the hazardous materials -- picture a special when you talk about training your people, and having recommend that he decided that to them first,
have them read that so they can brush up on the language of the 49CFR, parts 100 to 185. We also have our multi modal interactive training CD-ROM. After each module, there is a final exam.
I we'll also put out the 2004 emergency response guidebooks. As you see at the bottom, there is our web site. I will go through a couple of what those placards a mean on our website, pretty much at the end of this presentation.
Through dissemination of our publication and training materials, we're able to reach as huge HazMat community.
We are also partners with members and the transportation committee to reach a broader audience one addressing specific concerns.
We are also preparing with a lot of organizations any way possible we can get the word out we're going to get the word out. We use all kinds of resources in order to get this word out. As you know, and the next few slides,
our outreach to the hazardous material Safety Assistance Team has been extremely successful.
This slide indicates the extent of the information provided to the office of hazardous materials safety, not just our office. This information includes mailings through publications, distributions
and calls that are received through the House met hot line and calls are deceived -- received directly through our office.
We've distributed over 2 million transformation publications, received a response of more than 12,000 requests for assistance, assisted more than 31,000 callers requesting information clarification or interpretation of the regulations
and we have trained more than 14,000 in the HazMat community. I just thought that needed to be said to let you know exactly what our office do.
We are a team of six service in five regions and the D.C. area. I am with a national capital area. I cover Washington D.C., parts of Virginia, parts of the Maryland region,
so a lot of times I am talking heads with my counterpart out of the eastern region.
Our team lead is Dave Wayman. We are available to be contacted regarding any concerns. Website is HazMat .dot.gov. If you have any questions pertaining to transportation, shipping, you have some training issues,
you are not clear on a few things, you have to do is go on our web site and find who is in charge of your region.
There would be more than happy to assist you. In some cases, they can even come to your location free of charge to assist you or even to give a tune presentations free of charge.
When your request that team members provided specific training -- free training seminars to the public, and our workshop which is also free to the public, they also assist in reviewing and developing training materials,
on the outreach programs.
During our multi modal seminars and workshops, the presentations covered in the PHMSA's [ Indiscernible ] refer to the [ Indiscernible ] since it deals with how to use the has met regulations, training requirements, tables
and other basics 45 communication which we feel, once you start down at the base, you should take care of your basics and build from there. Its been extremely successful and will continue to march with that. Plus,
we are going to also offer some other programs that may be more advanced, but at least two we'll have a variety to choose from, whichever fits your program.
Specific to the emergency response community [ Indiscernible ] Communication requirements or -- what a an emergency responders and not for the hazardous materials regulations.
-- should know for the hazardous materials regulations.
Starting October of this year, will provide 11 workshops throughout our country. Because a lot of the state and local personnel requests more workshops, our work should also increase.
It is started up with the elephant for -- but we started out with 11. It will be a schedule of our multinational trend seminars as was [ Indiscernible ] we are currently working on those guilt.
That starts a little bit after the calendar year of 2007. We definitely working on that.
Now, we can't possibly show all of our publications, but here is a symbol of the most popular ones, which we went over earlier. We have our charts, how to use the hazardous materials regulations and and these may not fly posters,
our information standard packs. That is all of our brochures that we have produced in this office. We have put it into one package and that is [ Indiscernible ]. We also have our HazMat training modules.
That's the one I was telling you has nine training models, interactive CD-ROM training program.
That, out of everything, that one has paid fee to it.
That is a $25 fee. We plan on releasing 2,008 for the first quarter of 2000. If you have any questions, please feel free to call the HazMat information line. The phone number is 8's (800)467-4922 and you will [ Indiscernible ].
Here is the Web site we talked about. That is the address right here. A the hazmat.dot.gov. This concludes my presentation. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask and we will try to answer as many as possible if.
Thank you for your time.
Let's move on to our final presentation given by John Allen of Battelle.
Thank you, Jocelyn. Can everybody hear me?
I can, yeah.
Well, we are going to shift gears a little bit.
We can go over a little bit.
I am John Allen with Battelle. I started out my career there with the Office of hazardous materials where Reggie works. I spent most of my career and Hazardous Materials Research and Transportation Research.
And I was asked to talk about research and hazardous materials, and of course the biggest thing going on there today is the efforts to establish a new cooperative research program. And that is the topic of my talk today.
The three topics of want to go over today, is the Transportation Research Board did a special report number 283 looking into the need for cooperative research programs.
Umbels going to talk about the enabling with legislation that followed that report and some of the early program activities. First of all is the report to which started everything off TRB.
Is one of them nationally [ Indiscernible ] academies. They were the study directors and put together a final report on cooperative research. The study was sponsored by four agencies within DOT, said predecessor to RITA was RSPA.
[ Indiscernible ] U.S. Coast Guard, although the U.S.
Coast Guard is moved from DOT to the Department of common security. But, I think each of those agencies chipped in about 50,000 or so to make this study happen.
The topic in the idea for cooperative research programs have been discussed for years in the committee structure, there is a committee on hazardous materials. I was chairman for six years
and was actively involved in all the predecessor worked as were up a number of other folks to move that forward. The study charge was to look at the need for a cooperative program, obviously, looking at how to pay for it
and how to manage it and to come up with some good advice on, first of all the recommendations as to whether there was a need for one and how to set it up and pursue cooperative research.
NRC this is the National Research council. The way they do things, they've got a study director. All give you some contact information for him later. Tom is the study director. But, they appoint experts and the field
and do the study in that fashion. There are 14 stakeholder members of the community in the HazMat shipping environment, how rich, well, water and air, research management,
and then they've done some research in the area of emergency planning and response. They met three times in September as you see there. We had one large stakeholder workshop, both public and private sector.
Just all but about the report itself in the structure because of tell you how to get the report in a moment. I highly recommend, I know HazMat is a little bit of an arcane topic for some people. But,
this is a really good short report for those that want to get a good feel for what that HazMat Transportation world is all about. It's got a good overview. It's got a review of some of the correct research, the federal government too.
The tough job was to identify some of the shared research needs. That was all about crossing jurisdictional lines which is what a cooperative research program is all about.
This month those of the areas where it was the cooperative Research program would be useful in trying to get at research that crosses boundaries. Insights from other cooperative research programs, a lot of you are aware of the NHCP
and the TCRP fourth transit. TRB runs both of those. There are a pretty knowledgeable about how to do that. [ Indiscernible ] governing and managing it. And some of the next steps. A little bit on the findings.
Not exactly rocket science, but it was good for a group of experts to come out with this -- to five concerns becoming more common, anyone involved with that knows that it is a very diverse field with lots of different parties involved,
shippers, carriers of all modes, container manufacturers, state and local governmental levels levels. Safety and environmental the concerns of those been the focus of the program that leaked recently security has been added to her that.
Changing traffic patterns and so on is a huge pattern now. For those of view that were starting out back in the '70s, and that takes me a little bit, like I did,
I think there's twice as many vehicles out on the road now with probably about five or -- five - seven% of more highway mileage. So, it's a whole different world now.
[ Indiscernible ] tower of risk because that is probably [ Indiscernible ] incidents recently as well as major concerns since 911 will talk about .
Risk management as part of the hazardous material world to perform for regulatory decision making in policy decisions because opposed to public and private effort, is buried. [ Indiscernible ] different realms of government,
[ Indiscernible ] all of those tend to be mission specific and just look at their own needs, there is a feeling that there is some cross cutting issues. You get better bang for your buck.
There are also some gaps that cut across missions that are not addressed.
The conclusion of this group was that there is growing need [ Indiscernible ] to the need for [ Indiscernible ] parent planning and preparing this and first response.
You can get to the report by going to TRB.org and then go to recently released publications and then go to the subject for it. You will scroll down and see the Special Report 283. You can also contact Tom Menzes.
Tom is very knowledgeable about HazMat. He is willing to talk to anyone that wants to get more information about the whole process.
Now, I want to go next to some with decision. This report was finished in maybe 2005 [ Indiscernible ] the highway bill. It was in its final throes deliberations ticket was a congressional funding vehicle.
There also had that been some recent high-profile HazMat incidence among which was the famous Baltimore tunnel fire. That was a railroad fire and the tunnels outside of Baltimore . The report, the attention of a congressman up there.
He got some more information about it from TRB. There's also growing concern about HazMat. D.C. was starting talk about their band, rerouting of HazMat through the city because of security concerns. All of that led to serendipity.
You don't usually get a report [ Indiscernible ] legislation within a year but that is what happened here. Section 7131 was added to ID because of the efforts of Congressman Cummings.
Just a couple of things you want to highlight about this.
First of all, it gives the authority to conduct the program to the National academies of Sciences. It places oversight and development from PHMSA. But,
the underlines our mind to it says to carry out the nine research projects called for in this special report. I will come back to those in a moment. In the second, paragraph be,
you see that it is required from DOT to report on a need for us to establish a full-fledged [ Indiscernible ] it's a million and a corporate. It is not a full-fledged research program. It's a HazMat studies program.
The key thing is the last bullet. It consists of nine studies that are named in the special report [ Indiscernible ] see how it should be organized and evaluate what the research needs are and so forth.
With this special report, what it did was get nine example projects. And there were good examples, but there were not necessarily intended to be the actual nine that should be funded. That is the way it has worked out,
and I believe that both DOT and TRB. I'm going to run through these. I could say a lot more about each one.
It's basically integration of security within the existing. This is something a lot of people would agree is needed. We have a regulatory regime in place now for the many years.
[ Indiscernible ] based on has met that's acute hasn't in transportation [ Indiscernible ] it changes everything. All of a sudden, you are concerned about intentional releases, not just on intentional releases,
and it is a whole different way to look at things, even risk analysis and risk management is turned on its head by looking at it from the perspective of unintentional release.
You're looking at a whole different world of threat assessments [ Indiscernible ] [ Indiscernible ] consequence risk analysis. So, this is a study, and by the way, the bullet on estimated cost and schedule,
that is pretty much going to be ignored. We know the budget that Congress has passed. It's up to the oversight committee to get a better handle on costs and schedules.
This estimated thing was in the report, but it is not going to be any limiting factor. But, you can see some of the [ Indiscernible ]
The next three, actually are what I would call a little bit more hard core research in terms of trying to improve risk analysis, which is a fundamental,
underlying practice in HazMat Transportation because you need that for a good decision making policy. But, this gets to you the growing concern about the changing infrastructure out on the highway. The monumental,
grandiose new designs for the interstate highway interchanges, some of the may be familiar with, I'm thinking like Springfield, Va., but there are other examples where they are not cloverleaf anymore.
There's a lot of crossover different changing direction ramps of that, and the these ramps, they curve and go over 10 or 12 and lines in different directions.
The have been a couple of incidents recently of truck rollovers on some of these overpasses. So, this is helping to get a better handle on standpoint of changing the infrastructure.
[ Indiscernible ] what has been going on in the rail industry for the past few years, with have been doing this might take a look at incidents improbabilities and rail transportation
and coming up with a good database to change operational practices and some of the tank car practices. This is a move toward risk space, having improved risk analysis [ Indiscernible ] consequences to improve decision making models.
The fifth one is a little bit different. There is concern, [ Indiscernible ] for the most part, HazMat regulatory structure is based on safety, as I said before
and not necessarily chronic hazards in terms of degradation of water supply and rivers and so forth, this gets to what would be considered non regulated materials that could be subject to environmental hazards.
This takeover community, that need to be looked at.
The next to get to trying to get better data on incidents and HazMat flows the wrong talked about earlier at the local and regional level. [ Indiscernible ] the next one is developing a guideline for state
and local communities to do their own local and [ Indiscernible ]
No one has come up with a cookbook best practices.
Number eight to -- this is something that has been on the high priority list for decades. They propose that their would like to see this cooperative research program address this.
I definitely think if you just look at some of the objectives there, it is far, far beyond $500,000.24 month study to everything there would like to do,
so I would guess [ Indiscernible ] where the gaps are in HazMat Emergency response to Grand lastly, the nine is to take a look at improvement of the.
This is one that the emergency responder committee thought needed to be looked at and updated.
Those of the nine studies [ Indiscernible ] early program planning for the has met studies program this month the have the money, they got to the [ Indiscernible ] [ Indiscernible ] if the new appropriations bill ever gets passed.
TRB is now organizing an oversight panel of stakeholders. I am talking shippers and carriers [ Indiscernible ] experts and there particular field.
The plan is to hold the first meeting in late November.
That is where they are going to try to get a handle on those studies [ Indiscernible ] will be forming a technical review panels for that. For those of you interested in participating in this TRB Studies Program, as I mentioned before,
it is a studies program right now for 2006 through 2009. If you're interested and being a member,
I know that TRB is very interested in getting candidates to [ Indiscernible ] technical review panels [ Indiscernible ] you can bid on the opportunities. If it does involve a into a program that is annually funded,
there will be the annually -- and all solicitation for research proposals.
I believe that is my last one, Jocelyn.
Thank you Mr. Allen. I hope everyone enjoyed these presentations. I am now going to put up a slide that lists the dates for the HazMat and workshops that Reggie mentioned in his presentation.
Bear with me while I get that slide out. There it is. Okay, I'd like to start off the question and answer session with some questions that were posted on mine.
Once we get through those, if time allows, I will open up the phone line with questions.
Blitz began with a question for Mr. Speesix. It is data available to show the number, type and impact of hazardous incidents within 100 miles of the U.S., Mexico and U.S., Canada borders?
To smack of the hazardous information material system records incidents by state and city, also County was included in the form, but I'm not sure if that was a key attribute. So, you could request from PHMSA's Office of Planning
and Analysis, hazardous materials information systems group there, incidents that have occurred in the four border states by city and identify it that way. So, the quick answer is the incident data and in the HMIS is listed by city
and state. To what extent, it may take a little work to extract it within 100 miles of the data set, and you can call (202)366-4555 and maybe someone in the Information Systems group will be able to help you.
Mr. Don, how does a local entity go about hosting a workshop? And what are some of the workshop logistics', is it free, etc.
I'm sorry, could you repeat the question?
Someone would like to know how a net local entity goes about working with your agency to host a HazMat workshop, and also what are some of the workshop logistics' such as how many days does a workshop last,
is it limited to a number of attendees and is it free of cost?
Okay. As far as the workshop is concerned, actually both of the multimodal's and the workshops are free of cost. There are one day workshops and it really depends if an entity wants to put on a workshop,
as long as we get a decent number of people, we can put on a new workshop for 30 or more people. All the have to do is contact customer will make the corporations
and all that good stuff especially if that organization is willing to obtain the facility, it would be a problem at all. But, yeah, each workshop is on the Web site.
Also has a limitation on it as far as seeking capacity is concerned, but most of our seating capacity on the Web is like 200. 200 people, but we do require registration, and wants to go to our web site and hit the lake,
there will be a brochure that you can fill out, a registration form that you can fill out and fax it into us or you can e-mail to us. Is it is something that you can fill out. You can go ahead and send it in.
I hope that answers your question.
I think it did. Perhaps if you could just type in the address into that chat box, that might be helpful.
I will attempt to do that.
I know it was in your slides.
Let's move on to some questions for Mr. Allen.
I assume that HazMat does not include waste. Where does that fit and should it?
It does include hazardous waste, not all of its.
It depends on the quantity that is being in transportation.
If you can go to the DOT regulations of all the reportable quantities of hazardous waste. I don't think that has changed. Ron Dych knows the regulations pretty well.
I think most of what EPA considers the hazardous waste would be covered by the regulations in certain quantities .
What you are referring to is the hazardous substances this month. It is subject to regulations.
Here is a question that was given during Mr. Allen's presentation but other presenters may have thoughts.
It's a fairly long question. How many cities are currently thought to be considering bans or restrictions on the HazMat movement? Are there communities that have been successful in deflecting such efforts?
My fear is that the industrial well-being of our region may be adversely affected by such legislation that we may not have the 18 - 36 months to wait for completion of the study.
We might be looking for best practices guidelines and the meantime. Our big issue seems to be real. We'll that be included in the study reference by Mr. Allen.
I will start it off. Even before 911, this was -- this is one of the -- the whole idea of national uniformity, the whole idea of routing and bands started back in the '70s. That is one of the big projects started.
I spent a big chunk of my life working on. There are not very many cities at all. DOT is pretty proactive and so this industry. When there is a ban put in place for hazardous material that is already regulated by DOT,
there usually will be an inconsistency ruling process. Probably start out in the courts and the courts will look to the DOT to issue an inconsistency ruling.
And the local regulation [ Indiscernible ] it will be ruled preempted. In the District of Columbia, they passed, essentially, a ban on real shipments through the city's. That went to the courts right away.
I think it is into the circuit court now for consideration.
In the meantime, the industry and district are trying to workout and accommodation of how to lower the impact or diminish the impact of shipping some of their HazMat directly to the city. Of course, when one city bans to Scott HazMat,
[ Indiscernible ] anyway, to make a long story short, DOT has an active program for inconsistency and [ Indiscernible ] ruling, especially for bands, but still, I think the study would be good and would address real,
just to get to your hands around the concerns around security and comparison to what the history is for safety. There are a whole new set of issues on bands and running. I'll just leave it there.
To the other presenters have anything else to add to that? Or does that pretty much sum it up?
I would just say a number of other cities were considering bans. And in Chicago and Cleveland were, too. I don't know if they ever implemented any. I have never heard of such a ban being upheld by the courts.
This goes for the heart of interstate commerce, States and localities [ Indiscernible ] the courts upheld that they do not have the right to regulate interstate this night. That is what has occurred in the past.
I don't know that any band has ever been successful. That's all have on that.
Okay. Well, let's move on to the next question. Are there liability issues with determining locations where HazMat responsibilities are less than adequate? Mr.
Mr. Allen, do you have a response to that?
This is the first time I have seen it posed in that way. I suppose if there was a spill, where there was -- it to be shown there was a high density of traffic, and you have the government never put any kind of response capability in place,
and I guess that would be grounds for some kind of a new lawsuit, but I haven't heard of that.
Anything from the other two?
Our next question is for Mr. Allen again. Are there studies on route planning and urban areas? Or where does this fit in.
There are not only studies, but there are regulations for truck riding that would apply to the urban as well as suburban and rural areas. So, you may want to take a look at the HazMat regulations.
There are rules that apply to certain quantities and types of [ Indiscernible ] has met. A placard, if it is of a certain type of material, a certain quantity,
you need to have the diamond shaped black on the vehicle that shows the hazard class. But, there have been a number of studies, and if you want to send me an e-mail, I could point in the right direction,
[ Indiscernible ] the Department of Energy is looking at that for future shipments of spent fuel [ Indiscernible ] developing guidelines for how to route those trucks and trains.
Okay, great. A participant has found that [ Indiscernible ] in 2003. Can PHMSA send out this information with a HazMat registration materials to get the word out on a more widespread level?
That's a very good idea. We will definitely take that into consideration. And I will be looking into that a little bit further. I like that idea. But, as far as the shippers and carriers are concerned,
and our hazardous materials workshops and the multimodal seminars, one of our breakout sessions we have this security and we touch base this on that. We're trying to reach as many people as possible. Like I said before,
we have six HazMat 60 assistance team members working for that very same goal. As a matter of fact, we just finished, about a month in a half ago, putting on a workshop for of a carrier association. So,
despite progress soon as we identify them, we are all there.
We are doing something about it.
Okay, great. Our last question it looks like is for Mr. Allen. The participant says that FEMA already has deadlines in place. So,
his question is why is the study on guidelines for local agencies necessary when the ICS is already federally mandated.
He refers to my discussion about the emergency response guidelines. Those guidelines are very specific to firefighters and first responders about initial steps as far as evacuation distances, etc., for a specific hazard class
and in some cases, specific hazardous materials. That is supposed to be set within the larger context of overall incident Command and response at the regional and state, federal levels. So,
my answer would be that those guidelines are very specific to a release of HazMat in the transportation varmint care. But there supposed to be part of an overall incident command system at the state and local level.
Okay, great. Well, that looks like that is all of our chat questions. Operator, would you be willing to give instructions on how participants can ask questions through their telephone at this time and see if we have anything on the line?
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