Good afternoon or good morning to those of you to the West. Welcome to the Talking Freight Seminar Series. My name is Jennifer Symoun and I will moderate today's seminar.
Today's topic is Institutional Arrangements.
Please be advised that today's seminar is being recorded. We're a little late getting with the introductions.
Today we'll have three presentations, given by Michael Williamson of Cambridge Systematics,
Bruce McDowell of the National Academy of Public Administration, and David Seltzer of Mercator Advisors. Ed Strocko of the FHWA Office of Freight Management and Operations will be giving a brief introduction to Bruce's presentation.
Michael Williamson is a Principal of Cambridge Systematics with over 16 years of experience
in the areas of freight and intermodal planning, commercial vehicle operations (CVO), intelligent transportation systems (ITS), and transportation planning.
Served as the principal investigator for the national cooperative freight research program project nine. Institutional arrangements.
Development of successful freight arrangements.
Ed Strawco is a transportation specialist.
He focused on freight transfer Asian structure projects -- support FHWA and MPOs in implementing programs to improve freight operation within the country's transportation network.
Over 50 years professional experience.
He retired from the U.S. advisory -- congress abolished it and has been a leading project director at the national academy of public administration ever since.
Intergovernmental management associates. Extensive experience in transportation studies as a public official. Private consultant and a long time member of several transportation research board committees.
David is a principle and cofounder of [ Indiscernible ] Consulting for governmental corporate and non-profit organization sponsors of major infrastructure programs and projects. Experience in the field of public
and project finance working in governmental and private sector. Mr. Seltzer -- 1996 to 1999 and was actively involved -- financial assistance programs. Under the T21 authorizing legislation.
Before joining USDOT he spent 20 years in investment banking for transportation and other infrastructure programs [ Indiscernible ] I'd like to go over a few logistical details prior to starting the seminar.
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The first presentation is by Michael Williamson from Cambridge Systematics. With that, Mike, I'm going to bring up your presentation.
Give me just a second.
Okay. You can go ahead and get started.
Thanks Jennifer. I'll give you a high level overview of the projects that was recently completed for the national cooperative freight program.
I believe it is the first project out of that program since it was created to be completed It's currently being edited for distribution today.
I'd like to acknowledge the panel that we had for this project including Dave who is formally with the MDOT.
He's on the line here to assist with any of the questions that folks might have at the end.
Just to kind of acknowledge, if you look down through this list, you'll see we had quite a mix of state, federal, academic association lobbyists, local governments.
We had a lot of folks providing some very good input as we moved forward with this project. I know several of them are on the phone today, as well.
The purpose for the project as defined by the statement of work really was to describe successful and promising institutional arrangements that help improve freight movement.
Both what works well today and what we believe we're going to need in the future based on the ships and global transportation and the increasing hall learns in our national transportation system.
Our work plan was designed to describe what works well today, convert that input in to a resource guide -- partners both transportation agencies as well as industry representatives to put together new institutional arrangements
or modify the arrangements that they already have in place.
Ultimately to define an implementation plan to get this information out to folks. The participation in today's talking freight seminar is one of the steps in making that -- meeting that last objective.
Before we got started we felt it was important to define what a freight institutional arrangement is. It was defined as a structured foundation that enables relevant parties to advance the general interests of freight mobility,
infra structure, operations, services and regulations.
Also if particular focus on programs or projects that specifically increase freight mobility whether it be at a local or national level.
Literature review of some of the best examples of institutional arrangements that are out there today.
We held a stakeholder workshop where we got about 65 folks out there to spend two days with us helping define what the key needs were and how to develop a resource document that would be useful.
Then we conducted a series of follow up intensive interviews to develop 16 detailed case studies which ultimately were used to define guidelines or guideline recommendations.
We grouped the institutional arrangements in three different types. We developed guidelines to address each of those arrangements. We also used TRB's annual meeting earlier this year to test what we had
and get some fine l input before finalizing our document -- final input --
We did a quick assessment on what works and what doesn't. We found among the strengths that exist today, certainly there's been a lot of success in integrating freight in the policy
and programming activities that the transportation agencies are undertaking. That's being done through a variety of committees and task forces. Groups of private stakeholders that are getting together. In many cases annually
or more frequently. Put together their long range plan and updates. Also, the ability to facilitate project prioritization and completion. There's several examples out there.
I know that I have a few acronyms that will be defined forward.
Florida seaport management and council that allocate state funds across a variety of seaport projects on an annual basis.
We have the freight mobility strategic -- private partners specifically to select fund and monitor transportation improvements to benefit freight transportation.
There are examples of that out there.
Improving operational efficiency of freight movements. We have some examples such as the peer pass program in southern California.
That's one of the things MPO states, conferences in the federal government have done a fairly good job at doing.
Again, this is a perfect example of that. A few other strengths include multijurisdictional -- programs like the I-95 corridor coalition identifying what the needs are. Coming up with ways to program
and invest the funds the ends to be more of a challenge. Certainly is probably the largest example of that in the United States. Not done too often but there are examples of it being done successfully. Leveraging public
and private funding opportunities, bringing public and private partners together to invest in infrastructure to leverage each others capabilities.
We also found at the highest level there's three basic weaknesses. Lack of a mandate to do so within -- freight transportation really covers multijurisdictional areas whether it's multiple urban areas, multiple countries
and being able to bring the right group of people together is often a challenge. Of course, insufficient funding.
So we took that information. We took the literature that we did and kind of a national canvas of what's out there and what works. We developed a classification scheme that looked across -- we have an issue scale, a function scale
and a legal structure. We were trying to determine whether or not commonly grouped arrangements behaved the same. When you look at the issue, you could be a Gateway, metro area, corridor, multistate.
It could cover anywhere from advocacy to research to operations to capital improvements.
A legal structure, you have averted there as well. -- a variety there as well. The example you see here is for sea vision.
C vision which is the commercial vehicle information systems and networks program is a multistate program. It's really national for all the states that choose to compete. It deals with regulations and operations.
It partners with other public sector agencies as well as industry. For those of you who are not familiar can VVISN that provided a frame work -- technology to automate both regulatory
and desk side commercial vehicle operations as well as safety enforcement at the roadside. It brings together state, federal and private sector partners
and really has provided an opportunity to create a national architecture for commercial vehicle operations. We looked across the types of arrangements out there and we grouped them as I mentioned in to three.
The first type focuses on increases the visibility and importance of freight issues an policies. The second type, takes and builds upon that to develop consensus on project priorities.
Different types of improvements an may get involved in ranking projects and allocating funds. Type three, which a little less frequent in the United States is designing, mitigating, constructing and operating some type of new system.
When you look at the types of activities that fall within each of these types, it helps you understand where a particular arrangement would fit. Under type one we're focused on information sharing, consensus building,
setting your policies increasing your visibility of freight -- leveraging of funds. When you get to type three you get very specific for all the steps you have go through to make a project happen.
In order to illustrate those types to actually develop specific guide leans, we did a -- guidelines we did a 16 case study. The majority of them fall in type one. That's the most common type of arraignment in the United States today.
They range from regional task forces to multistate coalitions, economic initiatives like the Kansas City smart port. If you look at type two where you program funding like the F stead program
and [ Indiscernible ] Maine DOT has an industrial rail access program that provides state funding -- in the rail transportation system.
When you get down to type three, that's when you start focusing on projects that are going throw detailed -- going through detailed policies and procedures like the create program -- transportation efficiency program.
Based on those case studies, we grouped -- we developed a series of guide leans and we grouped -- guidelines .
Prioritizing your projects and then funding them. Type three again is more focused on the implementation, whether it be design construction or operations. I want to point out that each of these builds on each other.
You may is a type one that was created to be a type one and will forever be a type one or you may have a type one that in it's early stages was type one.
As it evolved over multiple years, based on what it's mission was, can [ Indiscernible ] Type two or three.
So type one guidelines, I'm not going to go through all of these in general or in detail but the type one guidelines they focus on identifying the need and purpose of your arrangement.
Performing your strategies. Figuring out who's your champion -- partnerships with your fellow stakeholders. Consensus-based process, short and long term process. Having performance measures and encouraging some cost sharing.
An example of a type one that would be the I-95 95 corridor coalition. Their intermodal track which looks specifically at freight transportation needs across multistates.
When you look at the type two guidelines, again, they're focused on defining program elements and implementation processes. What's the appropriate set of protocols? Voting structures.
Evaluation criteria for ranking your projects. It could include project audit, site visits and ensuring that you are making progress over time to achieving your mission.
In an example here would be the Florida seaport transportation and economic development program. It wiz created by the Florida ledge -- was created by the Florida legislature back in 1991. Creating a public benefit
and were being invested in projects that made sense for the states and the seaports. So 50/50 match through grants an bonds.
It's provided the state with an opportunity to look for at a system level as opposed to port by port.
Our type three guidelines, you'll see a few more here. That's outside of the fact that we're talking about very specific actions.
We're talking about champions.
We're talking about mitigation strategies whether it be environmental or traffic. Establishing clear decision-makes authority. Developing a product orientation you are not just developing policies an plans anyone.
You are implementing projects. You have to establish funding fire walls and look at bond rating agencies. It gets very specific in what you are trying to accomplish in type three.
An example we have here today is the create program in Chicago which is bringing together private -- in the rail system in the greater Chicago area which we all know serves as a rail freight hub for the United States.
So there's a lot more detail.
It's hard to go over in a Power Point presentation that describes exactly how you would implement those guidelines. We want to provide some thoughts orphan what the first -- on what the first steps are in getting started.
They mimic the first type one guidelines. In order to get started with an institutional arrangement, you need to have a leader or champion that's going to step forward.
I know many of you represent very successful institutional freight institutions today. If you don't have that commitment of an agency or an individual it's hard to keep a program together over time.
It's important to bring together the right group stakeholders.
You need to set that before you set all your objectives and goals.
You might have a problem statement that you're trying to address but you need to get the right stakeholders together so they help you define your missions and objectives and the goals you are going to take.
That could be through an open forum where you identify the specific needs. You get folks to talk about the opportunities and challenges that are facing the group. Again,
draft a purpose of what the institutional arrangement is going to accomplish.
Once you have that accomplished, you can develop your action plan, which really would be looking at the -- from the perspective of this resource -- you look at the type of guidelines that exist, the things you are trying to accomplish.
You can look through detailed case studies that illustrate the use of those guidelines and put together an action plan that addresses your needs in the short term with the understanding that you are probably going to be evolving over time.
As I mentioned, this project is currently has been submitted to the transportation research board. It is being edited by their editing department. It releases anticipated late this year
or certainly early 2010 based on how that process takes. Bill rogers who is our contact with the NCFRP within TRB certainly can be contacted with additional questions as can I. Thank you.
Thank you Mike. Again, I want to encourage you if you have any questions for Mike, place them in the chat area. You can also indicate that your question is for Mike so when we get to the end,
we can keep track of which presenter they are for. We're now going to move onto Ed straw coof the FHWA who will give a brief introduction before we move onto Bruce of the national academy administration.
The results of the work he completed for the highway administration -- his work was focused on analyzing multistate institutions that state MPOs can employ when implementing straight moving project.
Some of the recent discussions of freight transportation is there's going to be hard growth rates of freight volume and that's going to continue.
Whether the hard growth rates return with the economic recovery or whether they're replaced by modest growth, there are a number of issues that are going to be the same.
Freight transportation is a significant -- should be accommodated more effectively.
Second, as the economy evolves freight transportation will need to keep pace with the changes distribution of goods used by businesses and households.
As you can see on the slide unless capacity is -- subject to increase delay and decrease reliability which will disrupt the logistical systems and increase the cost of American businesses. [ Indiscernible ]
On this section I want you to node the areas in red. The freight transportation system that supports the economy stays within political boundaries. Moves -- large percentage of the value and tonnage of freight using national boundaries.
[ Indiscernible ] For those that really like inter call data. The data in this program comes from 500,000 trucks with GPS. Captured 3000 trucks originating to Dallas on a single day.
The map you see shows you where those trucks went over the next ten days. Just beyond the Texas border.
The next slide shows the freight cars -- we know that federal legislation established MPOs years ago to coordinate transportation planning -- however the freight cars usually extend well beyond the metropolitan areas
and often involve several states.
MPOs simply lack the geographic reach that are needed for freight movement [ Indiscernible ] Distant locations.
We've seen several multistate coalitions form [ Indiscernible ] Recommend solutions for these. We see the first generation of the multistate coalitions have been -- study the issues and the plan for the potential transportation project.
But we've also seen -- implementation it's been a struggle to find mechanisms to administer, fund, manage the multistate large capital projects that are needed.
We think to evolve in to an effective organization to implement the F projects across state lines -- the finance projects across state lines,
need to build on the expertise gained from others out there in the transportation sector.
So with that said, FHWA wants to better understand what the arrangements and structures that can be employed to administer and fund these multi state projects.
We see this work as a background piece -- think through solutions that really don't see this as a decision document or one recommendation for specific institutional mechanisms. We don't see there's a silver bullet.
There's going to be different solutions that are applicable for different projects.
Our intend was to provide a series of options for folks like you on which path they want to pursue. With that I want to turn it over to Bruce to talk about the results of what he's done.
Thank you Ed. I think Ed's really pretty much explained this page that's on the screen right now. The purpose is to take a broad scan at interstate institutions, multi state institutions -- multistate institutions.
There are many multistate operations in other fields of activity and transportation might benefit by taking a broader look.
You'll notice some overlap between my presentation and Mr.
Williamson's presentation. These were two projects going on at the same time but independently.
Came up with a lot of the same ideas and so that verifies that we're on the right track, I think.
My white paper has been developed starting around February and should be available within a month or less, I hope. We're just making some final revisions and just about to get it out.
It doesn't have to go through the long process that TRB uses and so we will send it to each of you and also distribute it more broadly.
As a part of putting this paper together, we held a national round table with about 20 experts around the country on June 18, in Washington, D.C. We got a lot of additional ideas and some refinement of what was in the paper.
We are trying to include that before we wrap up the final version of the paper.
As Ed explained, there's no magic here. I think the thing that is felt to be most lacking by the 20 or so core -- sponsor studies, they make recommendations and then where do they go? At that point,
they're sort of in the cajoling existing actors most of which are not multistate. Where do we go with implementing the multistate portions of their recommendations.
I think they feel kind of inadequate in doing that [ Indiscernible ] There's nobody in charge of a corridor basically.
Should there be -- can we do a better job working with what we have at the moment and institutionally. The paper offers three things. Okay. I see. I forgot from the practice session.
There's the -- the paper offers three key things.
First identifies 7 key capabilities that are needed to improve performance in multistate transportation corridors.
I'll outline those in a minute.
Essentially this is the question of what needs to be done. Second, it says a survey but I want to change that to a scan of cross board institutions and we came up with 8 types. You'll notice when I get to explaining those,
there's some similarity with those that Mr. Williamson just went through.
I looked at about 80 illustrative examples.
I did not do case studies. This was not an evaluation but simply an identification. Many of the organizations I have known for years and have followed over my career.
I've pulled together out of my experience and out of current resources, to take a look at those and put them in piles of similarity and see what we can learn from them. Third, some considerations or criteria
or deciding which of these institutional options might be the most helpful in the given multistate transportation corridor. I will go into each of these topics now. I wanted to reemphasize as Ed did.
We made no recommendations. We wanted to have a presentation in front of the whole community available so you're not going to overlook some possibilities when you are dealing with these tough institutional questions.
The institutional questions usually are the toughest ones you find.
We outlined 7 key capabilities that are necessary to improve the operations and performance of a multistate freight corridor.
The first tool is a a growing consensus and we -- we seldom get that in a single organization.
Strategic planning and goal setting.
That's public policy part of this.
Therefore, this capability needs to center primarily in public institutions of one sort or another. Not necessarily a single agency, but something that is recognized in legally as a public policy-making organization.
What I mean by an outcome is something that actually makes a difference to people, not simply something that you are accountable for doing and did it. So this is to make a difference part. I'll illustrate that very quickly. All of you,
I'm sure are quite familiar with the just in time nature of our transportation system. Where something may be on the shelf of a retail organization on a day that is advertised in the newspapers ahead of time
and it's not actually on the shelf when it's advertised. Or when you seen the contract for the advertising to be done. This comes from many countries away -- into raw materials an manufactured into something in a far off country
and then a long train of logistics to get it on that store self early in the morning before the doors open for the advertised sale.
This is an entree indicate kind of system. That's what makes a difference. Whether this stuff is on the shelf. That's the performance of the freight corridor.
If the freight corridor is not really performing some of these things are not going to be on the shelf and you are going to have to get a rain check. That may be awfully simple but that's what we're talking about in terms of outcomes.
This one that is kind of a light green, number 3 implementation of projects and operational improvements. This is hard to do if it's a multistate project because there's not that many multistate institutions.
One that comes to mind is the port authority of New York and New Jersey, which really does have some pretty strong operating powers.
Does operate across state boundaries. More than likely, what you would really like to do is under the jurisdiction of individual state DOT's or other individual agencies that do not cross state boundaries.
The strong and reliable financing.
This is where more project battles are lost than anywhere else.
No financing, no implementation, no performance improvement and the public policy does not get implemented.
So it's a chain. I don't have to tell you now that we're in a recession, that times are tough and money is hard to get. I did a lot of work in the Chesapeake bay and recognized in the early 70s as being way over polluted.
Something in 1983 they finally put together a multistate coordinating group to do something about it.
It's been working hard and diligently and the bay continues to get worse.
So somebody says, what's going on here? Well, I think you have the same situation with freight and if the growth in freight is going to be as strong as the projections are,
we need to do better institutionally -- one of the reasons it's not working is they're getting about 10% of what they figure they need in terms of financing for Chesapeake bay.
This bottom one may seem a little strange to you but the ease of establishment of the institution is really important to be able to get the institution. Otherwise, you can sort of have nowhere to go.
But if you have an institution, you can build upon it an you can gradually strengthen it. I would say out of all of these, getting the institution established is probably your number one priority.
So let's take a look then at what the institutional options are, these 8 options that I mentioned earlier. Interstate compact. Under each of these I give a few illustrations. Primarily transportation ones that you will recognize
and resonate with. You'll know immediately what I'm talking about. There are a few in here that are not transportation. But let me just read across the 8.
Interstate compact, the joint services agreement like they have in the alameda corridor, California high speed rail is an example.
Voluntary coalitions, the 20 or so transportation corridor coalitions.
The MPOs 384 of those.
22 of those are interstate. There's the new con of these things coming along that's been getting started in recent years. The regional rural transportation planning organization. Which are forming in more and more states.
Several states have again to this as the general practice but it's not national yet.
Putting together an MPO if the smaller population than metro. A lot of the freight problems come up in rural areas. The farm to market. The reason the feds got in to highways to start with,
was the rural roads were so bad they couldn't get food to market, believe it or not. That's where the highway program began.
So I think we cannot ignore the regional aspect at the rural or less than metro level. Non-profit corporations.
Take a minute just to highlight just a couple of these that you are not familiar with. It's the sort of thing that TRB is and you are very familiar with that.
I happen to be sitting in the offices right now of the intelligent transportation society of America where I'm working on a very interesting project.
But these other two that I put in here have, I think, something to teach us in transportation. The national fish and wildlife foundation was established by congress a couple of decades ago because so much of our fish
and wildlife work at the federal level and when you get in to state, it's mirrored by the same kind of set of pipes. It's split between the fish and wildlife service, EPA and NOAA.
This organization was set up to pool funds from those three.
It's also authorized to accept and use congressional appropriations and leverage these public funds with non-profit or foundation funds to tackle the problems that are larger than any individual funding source has.
So that's kind of an interesting approach. I don't know of any others that are quite like it, but that's a possibility for transportation funds, which come from many, many different programs.
I was very surprised to run across this. You will recall a number of years ago that the northeast part of the nation, most notably New York City and extending in to Canada, had a real serious black out.
Then more recently about a decade ago or so there were huge problems on the west coast.
The whole west coast but most notably California when electrical power was not adequate, the grid could not supply the needs of those areas all along the coast.
So we had major problems.
There was the national study as a result of those incidents, the federal energy regulatory commissioners tab established reliability standards for the network and interestingly enough,
they gave compliance authority with those regulations to the North American electrical reliability corporation, which is a non-profit incorporated in the state of New Jersey. It is also developing relationships with, I think,
two of the Canadian provinces to bring all those together so it can be not just multistate, national but international.
What that illustrates, I think, is the value of non-profits of being ability to be borderless if it gets agreement from various parties to act on their behalf. I won't comment on the commercial companies.
You are familiar with the railroads and the truckers. You are probably familiar with the federal corporations.
Have some little descriptions of how con rail was established to take over from the failing freight operations of the private railroads in the northeast.
Pulled them together, rationalized them, and sold them off in about 20 years as profitable of rations. Amtrak took over from the exit by all of the railroads in the nation from the passenger rail service.
So we've made some rather major institutional decisions in this country in times of crisis. So the message I get from that is don't think it's impossible. If the crisis is there and it can be articulated,
you probably can get the institutions you need, but it may have to wait for the right moment.
We've had a variety of federal agencies over time the office of high speed ground transportation in the '60's which began to lay the ground work for the metro liners [ Indiscernible ] On the east coast.
The U.S. army corps of engineers does all the port stuff which has a strong relationship to the supply change. The Appalachian regional commission has it's primary program,
a whole new highway system for that underserved part of the nation to tie it in to the whole system. It's 90% or more complete.
It's over a period of 30 to 40 years. So we've got some real success stories out there. Some are huge and some are smaller, but these are the kinds of things that are illustrated briefly in my paper.
Couple of conclusions, if I can find the right arrow, no single institution might be what you are looking for.
Each may have an important contribution to make.
The contribution part is -- but by you might stay institutional ecological network.
I'm kind of a visual person, not everybody is.
But these are the same 8 institutional forms.
Each one is a glass, which sometimes is fairly empty. But here are the typical combinations of the capabilities.
You remember those 7 capabilities from a couple of slides ago. These are some of the capabilities you might expect to find more or less typically in each of these institutional organizations. The interstate compact, if done right,
can have everything in it. It is also have almost nothing in it.
For example, one of the things we ran in to was the mid-west passenger rail interstate compact. I think it's 14 states. It's quite a few.
It essentially is a promotional organization for the idea of passenger rail tying Chicago, Detroit and some of the other major Midwestern hubs together in a passenger rail set up. It's only got one of these layers in it.
The strategic public policy.
It's really not even quite that in a robust way, but it does do the studies, promotes the ideas an it does get the ideas on the table. You can go all the way from there to something that can finance, implement and do the whole works,
if you have the right kind of legislation.
The big problem with it is that it's very hard to do institutionally.
You'll notice that these -- are not likely to have these things very often. Joint services agreements, nothing special there.
You have to -- everybody has been lined up ahead of time and these guys do it on special order. Special districts and authorities are somewhat the same way. I think it's interesting to look at these voluntary coalitions.
They have the policymaking, they have a range geographically, they have the range mode ally. They are pretty easy to establish but they don't have some of the other layers of getting it done. If you look right below that,
the federal agency or next to it, the federal corporations, they have a good deal of implementation authority if they are established with it.
Sometimes that's a big "if."
Sometimes there's a major governance issue.
People are afraid of big government and so they don't give a lot of discretion to a federal organization.
They want to make sure that it doesn't take over. Of course, the states are very concerned about that because a lot of what's in the transportation portfolio, is traditionally state.
The commercial and the non-profit are relatively limited in what they can do but they can do it very well.
So that's kind of a run down where we combine the capabilities analysis with the institutional analysis.
Give you sort of a reality check on what you might be able to expect. Don't take any of these glasses as a given. You have to go and you have to fill up the glass with the capabilities in legislation and in hard work institutionally.
The task ahead is to select the most appropriate glasses for meeting your specific corridors needs and that means you have to be really sure about what your needs are.
I think that was a major conclusion at the William study came to as well.
Here are some key considerations for selecting the appropriate institutional options.
You might call these institutional design principles.
Forms follow purpose. Be very clear about the purposes for which you are trying to set up an institution and get people to buy in to that and agree to it, otherwise you are not likely to get it. Number two, I've already mentioned.
No single institution necessarily is what you are looking for. But a combination that can work together.
The third conclusion here, look to existing organizations first to find and utilize the capabilities that they have and satisfy the needs for institutional capabilities. The reason I emphasize this one as much as I do,
you ignore the existing institutions at your own peril this is a tour. Question. You don't take them in, they're somehow going to be opponents. Last thing you need in multistate is opponents.
You have enough natural opposition to the idea of doing things multistate as you need without creating anymore.
Then make sure you tailor this institution specifically to the time and place within your region or whatever the multistate grouping is.
A lot of authorities done on this on how political and other cultures differ from one part of the con try to another. What's going to work in one part of the country may not work in another.
You have to be very sensitive to the time and place in which you're trying to put these organizations together.
The most important capability sought is boundary crossing. If you can't get across the boundary, you're not doing what my study is about.
Next slide. This sort of summarizes this all on a table. I won't go in to this in detail. It's already stuff I've already talked about.
But how it's organized essentially down on the left hand side, you have the 8 types of institutions. In other words the glasses.
You go across and get examples of each. When is it appropriate? We put two things in there. One is who takes the lead? State people? Local people? Innovators of variation types? Special interests? Private people? Federal?
And so on.
Specifically what kind of a situation would most be useful in. You can see the red, yellow, green. A lot of this is how hard it's going be to do
and what you can naturally expect from that type of organization for this type of function you want to fill across the four types. Those are roughly combinations of the 7 capabilities.
So that's what you have, essentially end of with a matrix of choices.
A little bit of thinking about how you would make those choices and I hope this will be helpful to the community as you try to deal with the institutional challenges that you come across in each part of the country. Thank you very much.
Thank you Bruce and thank you Ed for the introduction of Bruce's introduction. We're going to move onto the final presentation.
Thanks Jennifer. The institutional arrangements that I'll be briskly walking through unlike Bruce and Mike's presentation which centered around the institutional designs
and project sponsors -- we're going to be surveying the financing end of freight projects and specifically looking from the federal perspective.
This power point is really a condensation of some work that we had done for the I-95 corridor coalition.
Designed to enhance both passenger and freight movement throughout the corridor. The other factors that are in the background are some recent legislative initiatives in Washington that have been introduced dealing with one form
or another financial institution -- infula structure development Corp. including in the President's 2010 budget where there's a 2 billion-dollar FY2010 request for capitalizing the first year of a federal infrastructure bank.
I'm not going to dwell on the freight project categorization other than to say if a project is a hub, intermodal or intramodal or a long distance corridor or that last mile connector.
The fact is there's a wide array of different goods movement projects and they have different mixes of public benefits as private benefits and those in turn, lead to different funding strategies, financing techniques and as Bruce
and Mike pointed out, institutional arrangements.
That underscores the need for various forms of federal assistance.
We're talking about a federal discretionary program for large freight projects not just one form of federal assistance.
Many of us are aware of why public funding for freight at all levels federal, state and local, is limited, the fact that much of it, particularly rail is pry Prattly owned.
-- privately owned.
Current federal programs, projects, particularly corridor projects spanning those jurisdictions that Bruce was alluding to especially where public support is required. The spill over benefit that are hard to measure
and harder to monetize or to transfer in to cash. I think in SAFETEA-LU 2% of the grants are designated for freight programs. We need to ask ourselves what's the problem that we're trying to solve with these large freight projects?
Is it that financing is either too expensive or as we've seen in the last year perhaps unavailable at any price for these projects?
That would suggest that the objective of this new federal institution should be to overcome the capital market's failure through either some credit assistance loans
or perhaps the financing subsidies in the form of tax code [ Indiscernible ] Lack of underlying revenue streams -- particularly where the public benefits that don't result in necessarily extracting a revenue stream from users.
In addition, we have [ Indiscernible ] The question of whether our focus should be near term stimulus measures.
I heard someone say that the recovery bill as we now have a national sidewalk policy. The project seems to be most ready implemented or is it a longer term perspective? Ones that are more complicated.
May have getter benefits but much more difficult to kick start. -- greater benefits --
The literature focuses on the I-95 corridor coalition complexity often -- there are the afore noted gaps in federal aid eligibility.
The been felt of providing a bundle of different programs in one office so that the project sponsors have One-Stop shopping for the various needs of the major goods movement investments.
Also targeting those projects that have the largest economic benefit. Then another factor, this is pointed out by the -- recent study to enhance the.
Acknowledge that there's a need for a federal program, why create a new program? Why not do it through existing DOT organizational structures?
Many observers felt there would be a benefit in terms of an independent board that could help lead to that improved project selection.
If there's going to be a new revenue stream, there would be value to aligning a specific organization -- the One-Stop shopping and then lastly, perhaps the new program for large freight projects could take pressure off of
or remove competition from the existing and continuing formula funded programs by really targeting the larger projects.
Here, the question is really, looking at the financing end. Why not authorize states to create their own regional or financing entities.
Not project sponsors, which should be don't at the state or regional or local level, but at the financial assistance level.
There's several arguments for that, starting with the fact that projects have national benefits. There should be some sort of organization that has responsibility for advancing them.
The very scope of the projects suggest that a single nation-wide entity could bring scale economies and avoid duplicate efforts that have to be done at the regional level.
We've seen the fact that there's varying degrees of success with the state infrastructure banks.
Then significantly allowing access to -- finally the tax code can be a federal tool for simulating investment.
I'm going briefly just note that our own thinking was informed by AASHTO's preauthorization policy.
You'll see in bold font there in addition to $21 billion in formula funds but -- on average.
That might be funded from any one of sources.
It's that $21 billion of discretionary funding that we really looked at how it might be utilized.
We also looked at -- this is something I believe that CBO initially identified this diagram of different organizational templates for a federally initiated special purpose entity,
arranging from the most federal starting on the left with the existing modal agencies at DOT all the way to a purely privatized approach on the right. We centered on the second column on the left.
Some federally chartered government corporation that would have features of a commercial enterprise but also would be an on budget entity.
These aren't just -- they have important budgetary implications what the fiscal architecture of the entry is.
The structure of -- the U.S. treasury department is always concerned about cost effectiveness of other organizations, borrowing in the capital markets, in the wake of fanny May
and Freddy Mac -- this diagram here this is what I'll call the money shot.
In the light font on the left are existing programs to the state that would still play a mayor role in the goods movement projects. The shaded boxes on the right are for this new discretionary program,
the national freight infrastructure bank.
Essentially offering three deferent product lines. First -- different product lines. Indeed,
we call this a bank but it's note your typical -- not your typical financial lending institution but it's a granting -- the second box in yellow is a lending program, credit program to the tip yeah
and riff programs that you are familiar with.
Tax incentives in the form of tax advantage debt.
But tax credit bonds that were 30 billion bonds that were -- recovery bill.
This entity would not be -- this entity would not be an issue of the bond. Public an private that would have responsibility.
This freight infrastructure bank, if it had 3 and a half billion a year might go for grants. Half a billion could be used for credit. We because of the budgetary charge for loans.
Then a third component would be allocating the tax advantaged bonds or tax exempt private bonds. So finally, there are some other open issues.
Starting with whether this multipurpose entity -- mode that hasn't had access to dedicated funding until the recovery bill.
Indeed, other major surface transportation projects that assist freight. Should the existing tip yeah and riff programs be consolidated in to these new bank? Should it be part of SAFETEA-LU reauthorization or a new stimulus bill?
And should it like the President's infrastructure proposal be general fund funded? the broader reach in the more externalities public benefits of this, the stronger the argument for general fund funding. So with that,
I'll turn it over to Jennifer.
Thank you David. Thank you to all presenters for some great presentations. We're go to get started with the question and answer session. While we're going through the question
and answer session I'm going bring up a slide on the freight peer to peer program. I encourage you to take a look at the slide and visit the website for more information. We'll start with a question for you David.
First question is I heard a couple of years ago -- tax credit.
To your knowledge is this still the case?
Historically that's absolutely correct the railroads have been wary of accepting federal assistance with the implication that it might lead to some federal assessment on their services. From what I've seen has evolved,
there's now greater receptivity to having the rail carriers take advantage of some of these new initiatives.
They have been promoting investment tax credits as the tax code incentive and we think that this alternative form attaching the tax credits to debt rather than equity is more cost effective from a federal viewpoint
and would lead to greater investment over all.
To what extent do railroads take advantage of the federal programs -- aren't there existing finance programs?
Another good question. There is the railroad rehabilitation and removement financing authorized at 35 billion under SAFETEA-LU.
I don't think a billion has been used yet. I think again, that's part of the evolving picture, maybe other people have views on this.
I think the railroads are now seeing the important projects like create can't necessarily have it on their own. A helping hand from DOT.
For free infrastructure banks what countries have these already been successful?
It's always good, I found to answer I don't know to at least one question. We did not look internationally. I'm not aware of any freight specific infrastructure bank. -- infrastructure bank.
It could have been in western Europe -- than in the U.S.
We'll move onto some questions now for Bruce and Ed. Please feel free to continue typing in questions for any of the presenters.
We'll also if we have time open the phone lines at the end.
Let's see I'm going to start at the top Bruce and Ed for a question for you.
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I think one of the reasons is the dedicated funding.
There's a desire to get together and receive them over time. Come together ad hoc for a project, but the ability to maintain that momentum has been somewhat of a struggle.
If you think of these as the historical development of the MPOs and the first decade of those,
there was some federal special urban studies in the larger studies because it was begun to realize that we needed something that took a look at the metropolitan areas as a whole.
Those gradually grew into self-organized type things that took on transportation roles and gradually developed. But it wasn't until in the 60s
and more termly in the 70s -- for formally in the 70s for consistent funding for those organizations. Now there's been consistent funding for quite a few years
and a requirement that you don't get your federal grant money unless you have an MPO, I think it's more a question of institutional development over a period of time. Natural evolution. We have 20 of these things
and they're all pretty big. So it's not an insignificant movement already, but it's self-initiated. There's not much support so they have to wanted it strongly enough to support it themselves by in large.
That could be changed by a federal program that would sponsor those kinds of organizations.
This is Mike William son.
When you think about the I-95 core door was created they had very different evolutions and I-90 is still there going -- 95 is still there going strong
and the GM corridor is not -- lack of a strong desire by those folks to keep it going but primarily funding.
There's also the west coast corridor coalition that was started a year or two ago that is struggling to get up and running. To date, I think they are still -- I don't know if anyone is on the line who's involved in that,
but to some degree, that has struggled as well to get up and going. I think the I-95 has been successful because it's gotten dedicated funding and it's been successful in showing strong commitments from the states and progress over time.
It may also go back to the need for a champion.
Who champions multistate things?
Usually not governors.
Usually not legislators.
Who? Well you need your champions coming from the national level, probably. Or just rely on a natural leader coming up in an individual case. I think that's a little more of where we are in this stage of evolution.
Operate and maintain I-95 from Florida to Maine?
We're very lucky to have with us marry Grace parker -- Mary Grace parker from the I -95 coalition.
My short answer would be no.
When I step back and answer the question before this, I think that will tell you why. The evolution of the coalition started out with one of the things you need to form a coalition and that's strong leadership and champions
and strong Will. And then a strong purpose for people to come around and organize and clearly it was strong leadership in people like [ Indiscernible ] John share in New York. We saw a clarity
and a need to come together for coordination.
That time in an operational role it was the early deployment of ITS [ Indiscernible ] There was a lot of issues regarding systems operation with respect to impact on highway systems whether it was planned or unplanned events.
So the purpose is really what started it along with the leadership and initial funding that came out of the [ Indiscernible ] Legislation. I think what allowed it to grow
and continue has been -- the issues have evolved whether it's policy, planning, looking at freight, moving across -- looking at just highways and just transportation of the system.
The key is that the state agencies realize that their -- realize that their boundaries are not the boundaries for things like freight for events such as the major accident [ Indiscernible ] Congestion impacts that relate to them,
nor when it comes to policy and planning initiatives when you start to look at freight.
Freight doesn't have one particular home. It moves between locations.
So the ability to have the organization where they can come and look at these issues, work on policy, start to talk about how you finance mega projects, where do those benefits accrue,
make that a healthy environment to have those dialogues. At the same time it continues because frankly it's not a threatening environment.
Coalition is an entity looking to operator to maintain the very millions that those -- systems that system -- self-ownership coalition allows you an opportunity to come and [ Indiscernible ] Beyond your boundaries. Look at issues.
Share best practices, information, without losing the autonomy that you have on a strong home rule environmental practice.
On the institutional option side, how [ Indiscernible ] Examples for interstate [ Indiscernible ]
I'll let Bruce give a more thorough answer. I think where you just see the interstate highways -- the nature of how the interstate system is funded
and was built with the formula funds from federal aid really to the state's didn't require some of these other mechanisms that other modes of transportation have needed to develop.
I could just add that the federal government from time to time, has exercised fairly major amounts of leadership. For the interstate highway systems, the President called for that, Eisenhower initiative.
Once your President is behind an idea the federal agency gets behind it. It wasn't a federal thing only but the feds had a real incentive to pull the states together and work on the design of a system.
So as a collaborative design as I understand it, but it came from federal initiatives.
A little bit like the Amtrak and the con rail things, somewhat different origins but nevertheless federal leadership. In the round table we called to go over my paper, one of the surprising conclusions, I thought,
was almost unanimous agreement that it is time now for more federal leadership. Not only multistate but intermodal.
I think one of the questions a little farther down the list, why not more about federal intermodal? It's been tried several times, but very tentatively and then kind of fallen in to disuse.
I think our round table group was pretty strong in believes that it's time for the feds to do more on intermodal coordination than they have been doing recently. So the federal leadership waxes and wanes, depending on times
and conditions and the political scene, but there are plenty of precedents for bringing federal leadership back in to a stronger position.
I think we'll do one more question for Bruce and Ed.
Effectiveness of long runnings talk arrangements do they get better over time, stay the same or deteriorate?
There was one study that had been done, a brief study that took a look at it and concluded that there is an evolution, those three stages that Williamson talked about.
Noting that very few ever make the jump in to type three. When you start off as a coalition, you tend to sort of stay as a coalition.
There's a self-perpetuation about that type of organization.
You have a Board of Directors and the abort of directors -- and the Board of Directors stay on the same we're here to help, not to take over.
When you start stepping in to making hard choices and taking votes and making enemies, if coalition does not have the kind of strength to withstand that.
If you go to Mary Graces answer a couple minutes ago on you expect the I-95 corridor coalition to take on a more active decision and funding and implementation role,
I think the answer for anyone working in one of those organizations would be the same that Mary Grace gave.
That's the kind of dynamics you have in that type of organization.
This is Mike. I'd like to add a few things. When you look at the purpose behind an institutional arrangement and it's ability to evolve over time, I think really dictates the longevity of the arraignment and whether
or not the need for it continues.
Certainly, the I-95 example has been shown to be one that works and has continued to serve a purpose.
You look at some others just to throw out an example, in Washington state, was created
and funded by the legislature prior to their being an office of freight within the DOT because the legislature recognized that there needed to be investments in the freight transportation system.
So they set aside some funding and created this strategic investment to allocate that funding. Over the next several years, the DOT reorganized and created their office of freight which has then stepped up
and provided the state-wide planning and programming element. Has had to refocus kind of what it's doing and compliment so that they're complimenting each other.
They both remained in tact. When you look at some others, when a lot of politicians started getting in to freight transportation planning,
they would set up freight advisory committees as part of their freight plan to advise the study and to help set the basic platform for the region's freight program.
In some cases those advisory committees were transitioned in to official advisory committees for the board providing monthly reports to them on what they're doing.
In other cases they kind of fell away based on lack of motivation to keep the folks attending the meetings. So it really does, I think, impact the longevity of whether they get better or stay the same is really based on the leadership,
the need for the arraignment and whether it can evolve over time.
Mike, there's one question for you so I think we'll go ahead and address that now. Then we'll be out of time. The question is, it looks like a natural evolution to go from tier one to two to three.
At the end of the day we're interested in develop a funded project.
As I pointed out in my presentation, there's a natural progression from type one to two to three, particularly for those arrangements that need to be a type three. They need to go through the type one
and two to get to the type three because without that foundation, the type three is going to struggle. But there are plenty of type ones that only evolve as par as type twos and there are plenty of type twos that stay at type one.
It's based on the objective.
I don't think everyone is looking for every arrangement for funded projects. But there's different roles. If your role is to provide education and outreach and build an understanding and promote the importance of freight,
that's going to lead to other folks championing whether it be elected officials or directors of MPOs or secretaries of transportation to prioritize but the sole purpose of an advisory group is to build that.
In cases of how long it takes, my understanding -- I don't have the numbers in front of me beneath alameda corridor went through the evolution process very quickly from the perspective of what they accomplished.
It took several years to get from -- decades to go from where they were -- once they got the mechanisms in place they moved fairly quickly.
It was all within the idea of getting to the type three place.
Thank you. We're about out of time. I think there's one or two questions that we didn't get a chance to address. I'll send that out to the presenters. When I send the follow up information to everybody online,
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