Good afternoon or good morning to those of you to the West. Welcome to today's webinar on TIGER II Planning Grants and HUD Community Challenge Planning Grants.
My name is Jennifer Symoun and I will moderate today's seminar. Please be advised that today's seminar is being recorded.
Today's presenters will be Beth Osborne, US Department of Transportation Deputy Assistant Secretary for Transportation Policy and Mariia Zimmerman, US Department of Housing and Urban Development Deputy Director for Sustainable Communities, Office of Sustainable Housing and Communities.
We also have staff available from the following offices to help answer questions: USDOT Office of the Secretary of Transportation, HUD, FTA Planning and Environment, MARAD, FRA, FHWA Office of Planning and Environment, FHWA Office of Innovative Program Delivery, and FHWA Office of Operations/TIGER.
I'd now like to go over a few logistical details prior to starting the seminar.
Today's seminar will last 90 minutes, with 60 minutes allocated for the speakers, and the final 30 minutes for audience Question and Answer. Acutally, we have two hours allocated for today.
If during the presentation you think of a question, those in the main Webinar room, you see the chat area on the right side of your screen, you can type it into the chat area. Please send to, to everyone.
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Again, I would like to remind you the seminar is being recorded.
We will post the recording and presentation on line line within within the next few weeks.
I will turn it over now to Beth Osborne, US Department of Transportation Deputy Assistant Secretary for Transportation Policy
I will start with an overview of why HUD and DOT have combined efforts here. The purpose is to support local metropolitan regional state efforts to coordinate housing -- transportation,
recognizing this sort of coordination is inherently complex, that clearly divided work up between the various silos is, frankly, easy, and also,
that many of these more complex projects have not had funding sources to construct them in the end. We want to make it easier, have an easy path for folks to come in with coordinated project and get support for planning, and also,
get support in a way that doesn't require local or state partners to go to different agencies for different programs with different timeline and requirements and application procedures
and therefore making it very difficult to put a broad-based coordinated plan together.
The available funds are -- it can be as high as $75 million, $40 million for the community challenge planning grants, and up to $35 million for tiring TIGER II.
The TIGER II were part of The overall Tiger program, $600 million for multimodal discretionary transportation grant and Congress said up to -- of that 65 million at DOT's discretion can be utilized for planning.
Going to the next slide, eligible applicants are basically any public entity.
Private and nonprofit interests can participate, but they will have to do that in partnership with a government entity and the government entity will be need to be the lead applicant on the application.
Going to the next slide, there's no minimum on the planning grants, but there is a maximum of $3 million per award. Grants can fund up to 80% of the project costs; however, in rural areas the statute says that can go as high as 100%.
I will state, however, that in our experience through TIGER I rural areas had very competitive applications and often exceeded minimum eligibility levels by a great deal.
So throughout this a big piece of advice we give to applicants is eligibility does not equal competitiveness. If you are looking for a competitive application you will likely go above the minimum eligible level Also,
we have distributional requirements, particularly the requirement to ensure that we have geographic diversity in the are picks. Another thing we are going to be looking at is diversity in size of community we are funding.
In the Tiger language Congress passed it states a certain percentage of over all tiger dollars have to be reserved for rural areas. Since it's a part of The overall tiger, it will be subject to the requirements of The overall Tiger law.
In terms of eligible activities, there are the transportation planning grant activities, and that is active use related to planning, preparation, design
or -- any sort of surface transportation project eligible for funding under the Tiger grants, highway or bridge projects, transit projects, passenger or freight rail project, port, and notarized -- fund development of master plans,
comprehensive plans to promote affordable housing located with retail and business. It can fund the development and implement action of a local corridor or district plan and strategy that's promote did I sustainability
and fund revisions to zoning codes, ordinances or other mixed use development.
If you look at the funding availability there's a long comprehensive list of all that can be included and it's not an exclusive list either.
In terms of potential for combined funds -- I use that term not in a legal sense, frankly. I mean, there will be applicants that might seek and receive funding from both DOT and HUD.
Some examples of how someone might do this, because these two programs are not funding identical things, they are funding related things.
So, for example, you might have a transit corridor being planned and you need to engineer the transit systems, and at the same time you need to create some stationary plans, do some land banking near the facility
and change zoning codes to permit higher densities near that corridor. That's a perfect example of a jurisdiction currently having to go to many different pots with different timelines, rules,
in order to put all of that planning together.
This is the opportunity for you to come to one place and get funding for all of it. Another example might be the relocation of a rail line that results in reconnecting a previously disconnected neighborhood
and the transportation planning that goes in the relocation of the rail line and the planning to redevelop that neighborhood and use that old corridor as part of a neighborhood.
There are several examples that are in notes of types of project that's might be competitive for joint funding, but it is by no means exclusive and we are hoping some applicants come up with something we have never thought of.
Innovation is very welcome here.
We have a list of ineligible activities and I am sure this will be a topic of discussion in the Question and Answers. But looking through it, the source of things we are staying away from are plans that would assist businesses
or industries to relocate or benefit at the expense of another community.
This program is not designed to move jobs. This program is designed to create jobs; to add to the economy, not redistribute within the economy. If you go through this, you will notice we have several examples within that realm.
It is also not meant to fund specific [indiscernible] and not looking for projects that substitute these dollars for dollars already pledged to support community development.
In terms of threshold requirements, on July 26 a pre-application is due. The pre-application can be submitted electronically to US DOT accessible through our TIGER II website. If you go to DOT's homepage,
there's a link in the PowerPoint. You go to the homepage you see an icon for TIGER II, up be able to access the pre-application page. It is accessible now.
I highly encourage people to register as soon as possible.
The pre-applications are very basic information. You are not making your case yet. It's name, rank, serial number type of thing.
Most of the questions are drop-down menus or yes/no sorts of questions.
There is a requirement for a description of your project but it is meant to stay very short and just a description, not your making the case yet. The pre-application will give us a chance to evaluate applicants for eligibility issues
and if we do find an eligibility problem we will inform you. If you don't hear from us, that's good news. If you do, up have a chance to cure that eligibility before final applications are submitted.
You must submit a pre-application in order to submit an application, and final applications are due on August 23.
Those applications must be submitted through grants.gov.
For folks not familiar with grants.gov you should register soon because it takes a little while to complete your registration.
If you were to start your registration on the last day you would not be able to make the deadline.
The application cannot be more than 15 pages for the planning fund.
We have a pretty specific outline we suggest in order to meet all of the narratives we would like to see. Marie is going to talk more about that. We want to see a workplan, budget, project completion schedule
and evidence of a local match. In terms of the local leveraging or matching funds, we're looking for 20% of the cost of the project; however, for transportation projects in rural areas there is no 20% match requirement. However, again,
it does not hurt to exceed basic eligibility.
There will only be permission for one application per project.
We do sometimes see that different governmental entities are involved in the same project.
If you issue looking to apply for support for the same project, you should come in together, don't apply separately.
You need to make sure there is resolution of outstanding civil rights matters for applicants for HUD [indiscernible] the specifics of rating, I will turn things over to Maria.
It's an exciting project to have two agencies working together, a learning experience for us, as well.
What we've tried to provide within this NOF a is a broad flexibility of the kind of eligible activity that's can be funded through these grants, always in discussing the rating factors
and I would like to say a Webinar is no substitute for reading the NOFA. There's a lot more discussion, trying to give you as much information about what are the things we will look at as we evaluate these grant applications. So,
to talk through these different rating factors, four factors we have here rather quickly, the first rating factor is looking at purpose and outcomes. We have a 100% score here, to hear from you, the applicants,
how your proposed project is going to align with the one or all six livability principles the partnership has developed.
We are not expecting a project will have to say how it's meeting all six of those, but we want to hear in the proposed project you have, which principles it is addressing
and very important is we want to see data that will support those outcomes you are seeking to address. We are pursuing this project to upgrade local zoning law that's haven't been updated since 1926.
We believe in doing this we will be request an eye towards affordable housing unit, looking to evaluate the number created through this effort.
If you read through the NOFA it talks about this, perhaps an increase in mode share. The six principles focus on providing more transportation choices, promoting equitable, affordable housing, enhancing how your region, community this,
proposed project may address that issue, supporting existing communities; coordinating, leveraging federal policies in investments and state and local policy and investments, and valuing community and neighborhoods,
looking at some of the more localized or cor level planning activities.
Factor two, workplan and program evaluation, hire we really want to see potential applicants describing what are the outcomes and outputs that they are seeking to address through this funding,
to give a sense of different interim activities you may be proposing to undertake to make sure you're track being and tracking and making progress.
Administrative costs, showing budget breakdown as it reflects categories, costs, tasks you propose to undertake with this funding.
Rating factor three speaks to the issue of leveraging which again Beth mentioned the partnership, the program, I wanted to mention we are combining two different grant programs. There's an important
and slightly different match issue involved with those funds. If an applicant thinks they may be seeking DOT TIGER II grant planning, clearly related to transportation, fits best in that category,
you need to have a 20% non-federal cash contribution for that. It can be from private or public resources, needs to be non-federal funds.
If you think the activity you are looking at is changing local land use plans, building codes, those activities discussed on the HUD community challenge grants, we at HUD are not asking for a cash contribution, it can be,
can also be an in-kind contribution, so staff time, other resources, meeting facilities, things brought to the application. We are calling that a leveraged resource.
We are looking at a 20% leveraged resource, DOT is looking at 20% match resource.
So, if you are familiar with title 23 rules there are certain in-kind rules. You might meet eligibility, but it will be a highly competitive program. Rather than searching to barely make it, you should shoot to exceed that
and by doing that you will not have worries about eligibility.
We will be looking for the grants that are the most competitive, those leveraging the maximum amount they can, which relates to the issue of partnership,
thinking about other partners you can bring to the application that can help supplement the in-kind and cash contributions from the private sector, foundation community.
We listed a number of potential partners that could be brought to the table.
Rating factor 4, we want to see how well the application demonstrates the capacity to implement the proposed activities in a timely American.
We are looking to be initiated within 120 days. we want to see it speaks to staff assigned to manage the project, there's experience some of the applicants may have in doing these type activities.
Certainly if you are looking to do land use changes you will want to have those entities responsible for land use changes.
HUD also -- we require commitment to fair housing and furthering civil rights issues. If that's something your application can speak to experience or commitment in doing that. Finally,
HUD has two departmental policy priorities that apply to our discretionary grants, think of this as bonus points, looking at how well will the applicant address HUD's departmental policy priorities we have from our strategic plan.
One is, the first is focused on capacity building and knowledge sharing of state and local partners.
So thinking about the proposed project you will be undertaking, what tomorrow's may be developed, what strategies may be engaged to either advance public participation, decision-making, technical skills by those seeking the funding,
also working with others in their community and region.
Secondly to expand cross-cutting knowledge, sharing the knowledge, sharing the information collected. We have a heavy emphasis on performance measures and metrics. A commitment that looks at monitoring
and sharing lessons learned throughout and after the project as well.
We worked jointly to develop the NOFA and will receive the applications jointly, representatives through DOT and HUD reviewing the applications, EPA.
Each will evaluate how well they align the factors I just discussed and assigned a score from 1 to 100.
The scoring system will not determine the specific projects selected for funding, but will be used to generate a list of highly-recommended projects.
Those that meet this threshold will be advanced to a senior level review team. They will be the team making the funding recommendations, looking at each project's merits again, the rating factors discussed before, get the first review,
still in place, not new information we are looking at.
Then in selecting projects for funding, DOT and HUD will take measures to ensure an equitable distribution of funds, including requirements we have to look at how funds are allocated between urban rural, regional, modal equity as well.
We want to make sure that these grants selected can be achievable and help alignment with the purposes of the program. We reserve the right to fund less than the amount that may be requested,
and projects may be selected for the community challenge grant or the TIGER II planning grant or in some instances may be selected for both.
But as Beth said, only one application per project. You may be applying for more than one project in different applications, but we want to see partnerships around those submitted.
looking to the administration of grants, we will issue cooperative agreements. Each of the TIGER II planning grants will be administered by one of DOT's modal administrations.
If you have a transit project up work with the federal transit administration. Likewise, federal highway jurisdiction, up work with them.
The community challenge planning grants will be administered by HUD through the office of stable housing and communities. And grant recipients must apply with the applicable federal requirements.
For those receiving HUD grants, compliance with fair housing and civil rights laws referenced in the NOFA is the general section F you need some additional information about those.
Reporting requirements, the period performance shall not exceed 36 months, we want all funds awarded, obligated bye September 30, 2012. Applicants should be eligible -- within 120 days within the effective date of the grant award.
We are anticipating this will be a highly competitive grant program, that's reflected by the number of people registering for today's Webinar.
The maximum grant amount is $3 million, so again, think about that as you are looking at projects you want to be submitting for funding.
And again, a quick synopsis here, think being , about how to make your application competitive, think about what we talked about. Addressing the criteria, outcomes we discussed in the NOFA relating to the proposed activity,
how it supports the principle and how you will be evaluating progress toward the outcomes.
Certainly looking for clarity in the applications, heavy emphasis on leveraging investments, partnerships, and really, again, seeking funding to hear, see what kind of innovative strategies can be pursued locally and at the regional
and state level to help share the knowledge throughout the country of new strategies to help break down silos, do things in more effective and efficient ways to partner together and address some of the barriers and challenges we're facing.
For additional information, we have on the HUD and DOT page web site, HUD.gov/sustainability, or www.DOT.gov/recovery/OSP/tigerII --
If you go to DOT.gov you will find it much easier.
Go to either website, you will get the link to the pre-application website, due by July 26. We have developed a frequently asked questions. We have been getting a lot of questions since the grants were released last week and you can go,
good place to check first before you e-mail us to see, has your question already been addressed, the answer may be there on the website.
We have fact sheets about the program and may get questions on this last week, we also at HUD announced a sustainable communities planning grant.
We have a side by side on the program to help you look at which of the two would be the most appropriate. The TIGER II planning grant, community challenge grant, we are focusing on some of the more localized strategies.
The regional planning grants are regional, more integrated, comprehensive plans. We are going to be doing updating with tweeting, additional questions, and answers come onboard. Additional Webinars with external stakeholders,
very happy to do those. So e-mail us, contact us if we can be of assistance in getting you additional information.
With that, we can open up for questions and we see there are already a number of questions folks have sent in.
That is a good question. The short answer is that no, the federal government must authorize work prior to an applicant expending the funding for which they are getting reimbursed,
so no you cannot use the funding to retroactively pay for something you had done. You can absolutely use the funding if there is planning work you want to do for transit-oriented development,
particularly to provide assure analysis for affordable housing within that department, but that needs to be for activities you are planning to under take, not that you have already undertaken.
The next question is: In almost all cases federal funds cannot be used to match other federal grant programs. Is this the case under the Tiger grant initiative?
Basically the answer is yes.
There's some wiggle room, however, as I said before, in our experience with tiger one and the overwhelming interest in the program, important to have truly non-federal dollars on the table.
Eligible does not equal competitive.
I encourage people to look for non-competitive dollars to show there's a large and diverse group of stakeholders willing to put their money, time, assets and creativity toward the project.
Question: Does [indiscernible] apply to planning grants -- seems like a huge amount for a planning grant.
If you read the notice of funding availability, states there's a $3 million maximum, there's no minimum.
For planning grants.
Question: [indiscernible] I believe just the lead agency, whoever submits the application needs to register.
Representative from DOT indicated -- is the process open to the metropolitan planning organization to apply for TIGER II funds outside DOT's application?
I am not sure I understand the question if it's whether or not the MPO can apply outside -- absolutely, you have direct access to this program through the DOT,
but all applications need to come through the TIGER II pre-application site and --
I think they might be asking, if they are asking our DOT might be submitting application but we want to submit for the same project, that answer is no. Again, one application per project.
Yeah, and frankly, even if we were to permit separate applications for the same project, you have already exposed there's a great deal of disharmony in the project and it's not setting up a terribly competitive application.
Question: Would the total funding available for planning grants be [indiscernible]
That is the maximum that could be available. At DOT we do not have to put $35 million towards planning. We have the authority to use up to 35 million of the 600 million through TIGER II for planning.
We also have large pressures in terms of the competitiveness for planning and construction dollars and pretty strict distributional equity requirements, urban/rural equity and modal equity requirements.
As a result, we may find we put all 35 million authorized toward planning, but it could be 34, 33, 30, really unclear at this point.
Question: Will be there minimum maximum amounts for --
No this, is not a formula program, it's a competitive program.
It's also a small program, some states may get no grants, some states may get multiple. It will depend on the quality of the application that's come into us. We have regional distribution requirements in terms of equity,
what we did in tiger one, divided the country into four region and made sure there was equitable distribution between the North East, southeast, northwest, southwest, but not guaranteed a certain percentage for each state.
There is a feeling under TIGER II, this will not apply to a planning grant alone, but should there be a construction grant that reaches into the higher parts of eligibility,
no state can receive more than $15 0 million through the TIGER II program. If your state has somehow secured, on its own, $15 0 million for construction grants it will not be eligible for any further planning grants
or any kind of TIGER II grants. I don't expect that will be the case in anyplace.
Question: Do you think -- different federal overlay requirements will the HUD funds be subject -- [indiscernible]
There are distinctions we tried to call out, but for instance if you are receiving funding from the HUD community challenge program you need to meet the HUD requirements. Those related to fair housing,
and civil rights issues that we have within -- discussed in the NOFA, there are some distinctions there but those grant programs, if you are awarded, up need to meet the reporting requirements
and other federal grant requirements that each of our agencies have.
Question: For the 20% match are in-kind contributions allowed?
It is clear phi they are for the HUD, but not DOT [indiscernible] should be the same.
To start with the last sentence first, there are many things that should be similar across federal agencies, but there are legal restriction that's prevent that. To the extent the law doesn't allow the program to be identical,
we will do our very best to reduce barriers.
In terms of DOT, there is a pretty robust law and practice around what in-kind contraction -- contributions are permitted and what aren't. I will ask for help around the table, but for example, if you are donating a right of way,
that can be included in the match, but again, if you are trying to come in at the bare minimum, you will reach eligibility U are very likely to reach competitive. I encourage folks to think in terms of competitive.
If you have a competitive grant application in terms of match, up not have to worry about eligibility.
If in-kind contributions are allowed, for example [indiscernible] in-kind contribution, this project would include an area where the transportation infrastructure is impacted by a new [indiscernible] building.
Yeah, this is Maria, certainly from the HUD perspective, if the application were to be addressing land use changes, planning, visioning, activities,
building code changes that may be involved with updating a building built in 1946 with one that needs to be 21st century ready, all of those kinds of activities would be eligible for this funding,
and if you wanted to reference the staff salaries for transportation planner, that would be eligible under the HUD funding.
Please address if tiger one winners will not be discriminated against for their wins in TIGER II in they submit --
You are eligible for TIGER II, and certainly will not be discriminated against. I can say that there were 51 winners of tiger one funding out of 1400 applications.
It would be very difficult to justify giving more money to a jurisdiction who had not sat down their first award, not to say it won't happen, but to have one project underway and not completed
and get a second grant when there are thousands of other applicants who haven't gotten their first would be difficult for us to do.
Is the max for tiger --
The max for tiger planning is $3 million. The max for construction is $200 million for one project, but $15 0 million for one state. That may sound confusing, but the point is, big projects should not benefit one state.
If you look at the tiger one winners, the biggest project was $105 million.
We could have gone as high as $300 million, statutorily, the biggest grant we gave was 105, benefited four or five states.
The maximum per state, 150 million, the max for project, 300 million, for planning, 3 million.
A follow-up, the minimum is 10 million?
Except in rural areas, in rural it's 1 million objective grieve what definition is used for rural areas?
I will turn this over to Jake --
For rural areas the definition is based on the Census Bureau definition of urbanized.
Defined by the Census Bureau, over 50,000 people, you are considered urban. If you are outside of the urbanized area, including years the Census Bureau defines as rural
or urban clusters up be considered rural for purposes of the TIGER II program.
Question: Why is no match required for rural areas?
That is a question for Congress.
They felt rural areas are particularly struggling at this time, and would be less likely to come up with a match. There probably will be examples of those.
In tiger one there were really robust applications from rural America that went well beyond a 20% match that often the federal funding was the final piece to a very large project, and I can also say it was a great surprise,
but impressive surprise in tiger one that the amount of match being offered did not tend to relate to the wealth of the community.
Very poor communities came in with extremely robust match and communities doing much much better sometimes came in with no match at all. In terms of being competitive,
even some really struggling communities were able to come up with very substantial matches.
The NOFA discusses this as well, evaluating leveraging of resources, recognizing that trend just mentioned, in addition to looking at over-match,
additional leveraging beyond the 20% we will take into consideration per capita income in the jurisdiction relative to the met met metropolitan average recognizing bringing funds to the fable [indiscernible]
I can answer the next one [indiscernible] PowerPoint will be distributed sometime after this, being recorded, we will have the recording up in the next few weeks.
It has to go through a review before it -- e-mail will be sent out once available.
Question: Does the match for DOT --
I think we answer Thanksgiving Day ed answered this earlier.
If you have further questions you can reach out to the federal highways, they work on exactly what can be included outside of a cash match.
If you are desperately seeking to hit the 20% threshold you are eligible, but unlikely to be competitive.
Is environmental impact report eligible under this program?
It is eligible.
What is meant by a corridor strategy [indiscernible] what implementation of a transportation project such as non-motorized be eligible?
Looking at this from the HUD perspective, with the challenge grants, we definitely are looking at those corridor strategies and jurisdictional strategies and other localized -- these are not implementation strategies,
but help with planning of the strategy or it may be we have a bike-way, understand there are land use changes or community visioning, other things to help develop that plan and that strategy,
but these grants are not for implementation activities, so it's not to pay for the pavement to create the bike path, for instance, to carry that example further.
Can HUD fund the [indiscernible]
These are funds that can be used to support strategies to bring affordable housing to areas that have not had affordable housing opportunities, close to suburban job centers. We are allowing one of the eligible categories, planning,
establishing and maintaining acquisition funds and/or land banks for development, re-development and revitalization that would preserve the -- that is an eligible activity. Given the highly competitive nature of this program
and the grant amount, with a maximum grant of $3 million, keeping that in mind in terms of thinking about what could be funded with this source of funding.
Question: Is the match requirement 20% of requested amount or 20% of the total project cost? These are two different figures.
Well, let me put it this way Your total project may be much larger than the -- if there's a phase one you are only seeking federal assistance for, it would be 20% of the cost of phase one, but if 20% of -- generally project cost.
It's 20% of the requested funding.
There you go.
Just looking through, at least on the HUD side it says that.
It's very difficult -- I am not used to seeing -- if you are asking -- yeah, you are right. Independent utility. If there's a way to break down your project into phases or discreet portion,
that portion has to have independently utility, important for the construction side where might center a project or road way that can be built in segments, but it cannot be a road way that would just end in gravel.
It would have to be a road way that goes from someplace to someplace, and at the end of the project could accept traffic on it. Looking for the 20%, it would be of that segment that has independent utility.
But if you are asking for 30% of the cost for federal dollars, you are in good shape.
I think the other issue around match is we need documentation of it. Again, with the in-kind it can't be just to say we're going to be getting -- people are going to be contributing this, there needs to be documentation that,
that leverage resource, cash contribution, you need documentation to verify and support that.
In terms of the guarantees, to the extent there are major actions that will have to take place to secure those dollars, for example, you may have a state senator who told you they would get an earmark for funding in the next fiscal year.
That is not going to be considered a terribly secure federal match. This is money that needs to be ready to go when the award is made.
How will DOT and HUD [indiscernible]
This is not an easy thing to do, something that's always a struggle, but we try to do an analysis of it. We found this was an area of particular concern with port projects
and the first round of Tiger where one port was looking to increase business but turned out it looked like it would be at the expense of another port.
We will have to be very careful and do our homework on that.
What happened to -- applications received for the same project? we will let both applicants know that we received an application from two entities from the same project and give you the chance to fix that before final applications come in.
If they aren't fixed, frankly, we won't need to disregard one or the other.
As mentioned before, it doesn't send a message of great stakeholder cooperation if you can't coordinate even on the application.
Is there any penalty for submitting a project under HUD and TIGER II?
Not only is there not a penalty, that's exactly what we are looking for. The point of going out on this together is to encourage people to leek holistically and not separate out transportation and housing.
We are not asking applicants to say I am submitting for this pot of funding, or this, but tell us about your project, activities you are undertaking and as we are reviewing we will look to say this fits more under community challenge this,
is more TIGER II, this addresses both, something we do as a joint grant award given.
Applicants are not being asked to choose which they are applying for, but keeping in mind if it's a transportation-focused project, keep in mind the -- the point being this is going to be very competitive
and how you can be competitive in a variety of ways.
If you need funding from the community challenge and TIGER II, make sure you make the application in the same place. There's one application per project. We are strongly, like I said,
encouraging folks to like at a project as one project in the land use economic development, transportation, part of the same project, we encourage those to come together.
If you are planning jointly for tiger and -- apply [indiscernible]
Yes, and yes.
Apply together, and the 3 million max applies to the joint application.
You may feel like therefore there's benefit to applying separately, but that would show, that would hurt you in the rating factors because you would not be coordinating your transportation, land use and other infrastructure planning
and would hurt you on the most substantive part of the application.
[indiscernible] funds be used for non-federal or local share as specified in CDGB specification and [indiscernible] sustainable community?
Yes, it can, but as we said many times, the extent to which you can identify non-federal dollars is going to be to your benefit.
Question: Can a project receive both [indiscernible] and Tiger funding or draw only on one source -- when wills urban -- recipients be announced --
Yes, you can receive both, when will they be announced?
Can federal funds be used to match the -- part of an application.
Yes, they can be, I would reiterate Beth's comments, but think being ways to show additional resources being brought to the table, additional leveraging, so you are making the most competitive application that you can.
Question: What sorts of in-kind contributions are acceptable for a TIGER II planning grant? I think we discussed this a couple of times.
I am frustrated with this program because [indiscernible] are not -- not economical. In Utah how do I tap into these funds to link together?
I am not sure where in Utah you are writing from. Utah is actually one of our most successful areas in terms of streetcar, light rail, regional rail, in livable communities. The Salt Lake City,
down to Provo region is my favorites example in the country.
However, this program is about coordinating transportation, economic development, land use, and other infrastructure investments that can and often is a transit issue. It is not always a transit issue.
It can be about strengthening a main street. If you look at the tiger one awards, there's a town of 2500 -- 2900 people in Montana called White Fish that asked for funding to recreate a main street.
If you combined those sorts of efforts, you can see a description on DOT's website, with an effort to change the zoning codes in the area to allow for mixed use development,
really enhance that small town back to its more traditional town-centered feel, that would be eligible for funding and an impressive application.
The movement of a freight rail corridor to reconnect a neighborhood or if you have an area developing quickly and you have residential neighborhoods that conflict with area that's used to be strictly for freight movement
and you need to do redesign in terms of where freight traffic travels and where people live, that would be eligible.
There are many things in this program that go beyond transit that would be interesting and competitive, that would benefit the livability of the community.
I think you have gone over definition of [indiscernible] apply to both -- [indiscernible]
Eligibility information, yes, that degrees apply and the NOFA, where appropriate, talks about some of those distinctions that exist between TIGER II and the community challenge grant.
Also, gets more flavor for what Beth was talking about in terms of the breadth of activities that are eligible activities, but the transportation side as well as looking at retrofitting, updating building codes, land use,
district development plans, other things that can be eligible activities under this.
This doesn't -- the question, does raise a particular issue that we do expect to give awards separately.
There will be a [indiscernible] transportation projected, pure HUD project, just HUD funded and we hope there will be a sub-set funded by both of us.
Is equity a consideration --
Tiger I was a Recovery Act program, not just job development, but in economic distressed communities.
This is not a Recovery Act program, but the way we are evaluating projects is pretty much the same. We are still looking to create jobs across the country and particularly communities struggling, so yes,
equity will be something we consider.
Will there be a list of who has applied -- if we are developing a regional strategy, important to -- there are so many local governments, hard to know who is applying.
We do not expect to the create a list. We strongly encourage local governments working on projects that might cross jurisdictional boundaries to reach out to neighbors, come in together, rather than throw an application in
and then let us know what --
Will applications be subject to --
Play a major role in sorting out applicants?
I think we are going to have to get back to you on that because I am not certain what executive order that is, but we will get an answer back to you.
Active in terms of -- state DOT, this program is open to all government [indiscernible] need not go through state approval process. It obviously will do better the more stakeholders are supported and involved; however,
if this is an issue where it's a local priority but not necessarily a regional or state priority, it does not mean you won't match up well with a federal priority criteria. So feel free to apply directly to us on the merits.
Please define silos.
In this sense we're not talking agricultural silos, I would say, growing up on a farm, but really just reflecting the institutional silos we've had where DOT programs have been separate from HUD
and in some instances worked at cross-purposes with one another. The commitment to work modally across silos, really integrating transit with the street network,ing freight facilities,
and we have heard a lot over the past year from people who are really wanting to advance livable community, sustainable projects,
but say those barriers are faced of how to bring together the county transportation folks with the city land use planners and others. We are trying to work at here across our federal silos, federal divisions,
as well as integrate strategy and make resources available to communities tri-ing to bring together land use planners, economic development planners and others to think about these integrated approaches.
Are joint applications approved separately, can HUD approve and DOT deny?
We could. There could be a project that is applying for funding from [indiscernible] DOT and a determination that while it is not a project we think is worth or appropriate for coinvestment,
one of the agencies may see it's worth one agency investing.
But we will review jointly and make those determinations together.
What documentation would be effective to verify the 20% match?
I would encourage you to look at the NOFA. It has language that specifically responds to this, towards the end of the NOF a.
I will briefly say such evidence could be in the form of letters of commitment, understandings, other signed agreements, it should be signed, look official, say what is this commitment.
How will they ensure the commitments to sub-grantees may be honored, executed upon an award from DOT or HUD. Please do look at the NOFA for more specific language on that. If it's in-kind contributions, again,
we want that to be given a monetary value based on the local market value. For instance, how much is that staff person's time worth in the local market, check the NOFA for more details on that.
We are going to switch to questions e-mailed in.
I think what we are saying is, don't think of it as applying for one or the other.
You submitting one application, demonstrating your match. If it's for an activity you think, look through the NOFA,
if you think it has a heavy transportation focus we recommend you really make sure you have that cash contribution in hand and could consider the over match, leverage resources you bring to make it a competitive application.
If you are submitting an application and it's really to composed around updating building codes to support energy efficiency, that would be a HUD funded activity. We're not asking you to submit, saying this is a TIGER II grant.
We are asking you submit for this joint funding program.
That's well-put. You have a project, you are going to submit the project which has HUD and DOT components, put forward your 20% match for that project.
This is a reason this will be an incredibly oversubscribed program. Those putting together competitive applications will not be just in most cases just skirting the eligibility rule.
Will applicants be notified --
You will not be disqualified.
If there's a eligibility problem we will let you know what it is, unless the applicants themselves is an ineligible applicant, you will not be disqualified.
If it's a particular problem with your application up have a chance to cure it before your application.
The original TIGER II construction NOFA said the 16th.
Through the preparation of the planning grants we ended up publishing the joint NOF later than planned and wanted to give a -- we have moved the pre-application date back to the 26th. You have until the 26th for any TIGER II,
construction, plan explaining the HUD community challenge grant to apply.
The pre-application date is correct, but read the NOFA. Applicants who have outstanding civil rights matters, that is an issue that may make you ineligible for funding.
When you pre-apply, you are stating that you do not have outstanding civil rights issues and that is something that HUD's office of equal opportunity housing will check to make sure that is in fact correct.
If a project is [indiscernible] how should these be presented?
Say that again?
If a project is -- affordable housing, a real need for better -- how should this be presented?
That would be, again, look through the NOFA, some of the language, but in terms of the first factor,
which is speaking to how the project addresses the livability principles that speak to expanding housing choice to provide your narrative of what are the issues within your community, give data to support the case you are making,
and certainly HUD is committed to fair housing opportunities, deconcentrating areas of poverty, as well as bringing opportunities, economic and social opportunities to a variety of households. So,
I would just encourage you to look through that, make your case and have your data that is supporting that as well.
Can an MPL apply for a project grant under the same [indiscernible]
Oh yes, good question.
Yes they can. As mentioned last week, HUD announced two planning grant programs, one is the regional sustainable communities planning grant program.
Absolutely, MPO could submit an application for projects to fund under the TIGER II community challenge grant program and also be part of a consortium that may be applying the regional -- August 23 deadline,
certainly you would want to look at coordinating those activities.
What funds, or plans, will HUD and DOT have for implementation of these multiple planning grants? speaking from the HUD perspective, our secretary, Secretary Donovan likes to say we have 150 mill program,
but part of a larger 44 billion program. Again, we have heard over and over from communities wanting to address some of their local barriers to better utilize the much larger grant programs we have,
and I think that's really what we're looking to do with these programs, support those local strategies that can help set the table for future investments in affordable housing and community development funds.
I think the thing we are trying to accomplish is to give state and local governments the tools to determine the best way to spend the money they are already given through federal programs.
So utilization of the various form play grant program that's exist, through HUD or DOT or any of the other competitive grant programs we have, certainly there are construction grants from the tiger program,
though again incredibly oversubscribed, and that is very attractive to like at those competitive grant programs, but people should not forget the overwhelming bulk of dollars go out through formula, all over the country,
folks need to best utilize those dollars as well.
[indiscernible] eligible expense is land acquisition by community land trust an eligible expense?
We may need to get back to you on that, but my first reaction to that question would be both to like at list of eligible applicants, I don't know that a community land trust would be eligible to submit an application.
They may need to submit that in conjunction with one of the eligible recipients such as the local jurisdictions. If you want to e-mail that question to sustainable communities@HUD.gov, we can get you more clear answer on that question.
Gerrick what's the maximum for a planning grant, maximum allotted in grant request despite that I think we addressed this in an earlier question.
Question: Does a project [indiscernible] oil, rate higher than a simple road project?
I think there's a belief out there that because there may have been road projects from time to time that don't necessarily assist in environmental sustainability that all road projects come with that, flaw, and that's just not true.
There are road projects that enhance community livability in a very strong way.
Several of them were funded in tiger one, projects that establish main streets, establish strong boulevards where there can be a vibrant town center.
We also need to remember that non-motorized transportation usually travels on the infrastructure around road ways or in road ways, and that a huge amount of our transit relies on the road ways.
A true complete street is the most valuable tool a community can have.
A well- designed road way may be one of the most competitive projects we see.
Question: [indiscernible] in one of the most distressed communities --
Certainly eligible. Let me address one thing there. In Tiger I, we found very impressive applications that talked about an over all downtown redevelopment, included intermodal facility, mixed development, affordable house ing,
bike paths and all kinds of things -- the funding they were seeking were only a parking garage.
Not terribly competitive.
We did fund, but only a portion of a much broader range of projects.
Question: Can I apply for a HUD grant for [indiscernible] and TIGER II for transit construction and design project?
Yes. I think, if the question is can they apply for the TIGER II capital grant and a HUD community challenge, yes, the same project, for -- if you have two different projects, wholly unrelated to one another,
one happens to fall more within HUD and other transportation, absolutely.
The restriction is for the same project.
We don't want multiple applications for the same project.
This is not for funding capital, it's the plan. We are talking about today, HUD and DOT are collaborating on planning grants.
There is capital grants also variable within TIGER II.
The [indiscernible] says TIGER II needs a cost benefit analysis.
Who are where can we go to get --
The cost benefit analysis is necessary for the construction grant, not for planning grants.
In terms -- I would -- if you are looking for cost benefit with regards to TIGER II construction grant there's a great deal of guidance in the construction NOFA subaccomplished on June 1 in the Federal Register, and on DOT's website.
If you have further questions there's contact information available in the NOFA.
Outreach session, some help has been provided in the past also accessible through the website.
The NOFA states TIGER II needs to have an impact on the nation or region. Can a region be defined as two or more cities or more impact to be considered?
Yes, it could be a couple cities, could be a project greatly beneficial to one city. I commend people to go look at the 51 applications that were successful -- the projects that were successful in the first round of tiger.
They vary greatly in stope, community size, project size,
all the way from $105 million freight rail project that covers a huge region of the country to a $3 million rural roadway grant that will be incredibly valuable to the community it touches.
Question: Will the project be implemented within a particular time frame and how much will the [indiscernible] we said they need to be initiated within 120 days of the grant being awarded and for a period of 36 months.
Keep in mind Tiger funding must be fully obligated by September 30, 20th.
We from several plans that need to be meshed [indiscernible] is this an eligible project?
It depends on what sort of plans you are talking about. If you are talking about a regional plan in terms of the regional planning grant program you need to look at that promise. If you are talking about a number neighborhood,
planning corridor, that would be more appropriate for this grant program .
Question: In the First year of [indiscernible] can we -- yes, I believe you can .
Land use planning usually offers no guarantee of outcome, zoning or comprehensive -- how can we guarantee we meet the -- budget process?
This is a really important question.
What we tried to set out in this grant program, particularly on the land use side, is for communities themselves to come up with the land use issue they are trying to address and think can be addressed through this grant program.
To think about how would you be able to evaluate success on that. We are not saying here is how you must -- tell us how you are doing XY and Z.
We are leaving it up to communities to come up with metrics to demonstrate success along the continuum. Updating land use plans, it may be an activity or seeking funding to initiate that process and did go through the process,
and an outcome may be we will have a final plan as the outcome of this process, updating zoning to allow for more multifamily housing, more mixed income housing,
you may be able to demonstrate through a plan that does have those accomplishes measures you have been able to show through the process. Thinking about where year community is at, what are the land use issues you are trying to address.
It may be you don't have the -- looking to do changes to help generate more mixed use risks compact development, or may be on freight side. Leaving that up to communities to come up with those metrics
Also recognizing that obviously if you are trying to change zoning codes it may involve a vote of a council, one way you can demonstrate a high likelihood of success is strong stakeholder involvement, public involvement
and a large number of elected representatives supporting and working to implement the project you are applying for funding for.
If a project is in a rural area must an applicant specify come -- what which --
Nobody needs to specify, HUD and DOT will figure out what we will fund and out of whose coffers it will come, true whether urban or rural community.
What definition are you using -- 50% of AMI, 60? 80%?
We actually, again, similar to the land use question; we are recognizing communities are in different places, have different affordable housing needs. We have not set the threshold to say which percentage that is,
and are looking to communities to -- through the narrative of what you are trying to achieve, working towards achieving, identifying the issues. Hopefully that answers that question.
What name do we use to connect a HUD [indiscernible]?
We are working to set up our tweet feed. We are not yet tweeting, but if you go to HUD.gov/sustainability, check us frequently, for additional information and updates on these programs,
also once we start tweeting away you can sign up for it there as well.
Can you explain --
One of the silos we need to break down is the state by state one, we look at projects that cross state lines.
A project can be more than, but no more than $15 0 can go to one state -- therefore would have to benefit at least two states.
If my project is -- planning -- can I submit as stand-alone project --
Yes, they can.
We will move back to questions typed into the chat
Is there an expected date for [indiscernible] to initiate work?
There's not a specific date expected right now, but the Secretaries have told us they would like to make the announcements in October.
Can TIGER II planning grants be used to complete [indiscernible] they can, it is an eligible expense, but it will not be the most competitive application.
Are transportation mode projects eligible [indiscernible]
Absolutely. the planning. If you want to ask for funding to do some of the work within the construction, probably eligible there too.
Could one urban block constitute a community, existing commercial E residential and urban setting? yes, however, look at who is eligible to apply, so you couldn't have just a ward or a neighborhood organization apply for the funding.
It would have to be with the local jurisdiction, but the local jurisdiction could say we are applying for the project within this one block area.
Think about how competitive that may be, but it's certainly eligible.
For that to be eligible it would have to be a redevelopment of a block that is a very important part, anchor of the community, maybe a smaller community it is the up to town center, center to be a very important block.
There was mention of a --
NOFA says you need to be prepared to start work within 120 days of award.
Will there be award of [indiscernible] planning program?
Yes, there will be. We have been approached by external stakeholders, started to do? Webinars with external stakeholders. We are also planning to do a HUD-sponsored Webinar later this month. We do not yet have that date set,
but again I would encourage you to like at HUD.gov/sustainabilities for information on when that is scheduled. For those who may have pre-applied for the HUD regional planning grants,
we will be sending information to those to notify when that Webinar takes place.
There is information on our website right now providing additional background and frequently asked questions on that program as well , well.
No need to wait for the Webinar to wait for information
multiple rural areas apply in one grant, does that make their application more competitive.
The more stakeholder representation, the more multi-jurisdictional representation, the more collaboration across traditional silos, the more competitive your application is going to be.
Where is the side by side comparison?
It should be -- I don't have the website in front of me, but I believe on the HUD websites, scroll down on the page it should be sort of in the middle lower part of the page,
should be a click you can go so that says something like more information about the grants.
If you cannot find it through that poor description I just gave, you can e-mail sustainable communities@HUD.gov and we will e-mail you back the link, may take a day or two just because of the number of e-mails we are getting from folks.
I am sorry, we are working to make our web site more user friendly. It should be there if you click on information about either of the two grant programs we released.
Question: Is it okay to submit more than one application as long as each is for a different project?
Yes, absolutely it is.
But recognizing how competitive this program would be, we would recommend picking your top one or two priority and really focusing on getting the application just right for those.
In the Tiger one round we had applicants that put in a dozen or more applications and in most cases the quality suffered because they were trying to stretch to do so many instead of focusing on creating one
or two of the best applications they can.
Good point. When looking at priorities, think in terms of federal priorities made clear through the two notices. We are looking at federal priorities.
The fact it's a state or local government top priority is a good thing to know, but is only compelling so far as it is also a federal priority as laid out in the notices.
Question: For match resources, is there a time period where match and leveraging is limited to? Does the match need to be concurrent with the or concurrent --
Very, very important question and something I should have addressed earlier. Previously spent dollars do not count as a match. Your match must be available on the work that is going to occur when the grant is made
and must be available at that time.
The point about this is not funding through a place other funding you may have committed.
If you were planning to use CDG books money to do a project, now saying we are going to move that over, not to be replacing funds, it's to be additive to effort going on underway in your community.
Someone, to make clear, if there's a project currently underway, you are requesting funding to complete it, it's an ongoing project, then that would be okay.
Not if you built a transit line that opened last year, nothing from those expenditures can be counted towards the extension later.
Who can we call to find out how to improve our Tiger I application if we want to resubmit it.
[indiscernible] at the table has name and e-mail in the -- meaning his phone has been ringing off the hook and e-mail is full nonstop. Nonetheless, you can absolutely reach out.
We have had a number of meetings with folk who is submitted tiger one applications applications [lost audio]
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Sorry about that everyone. I am not sure where we got cut off.
Let's go back and ask that last question again.
Robert Mardore is listed, contact information is listed, contact him, recognizing his e-mail and phone, voice mail are relatively full,
but we have met with a bunch of folks about their Tiger I applications to make them more competitive We have done a Webinar about what makes an application more competitive.
It's online, I encourage you to watch that. If your project was very competitive last time, does not mean it will be this time.
We expect the quality of applications to be much higher due to Webinar and outreach since the Tiger I announcements were made.
Two applications lower our chances to get a grant?
No, the thing that would hurt you, if you did a large number, stretching your staff to do five, six, 10, rather than focusing on the top one or two priorities.
Going back to the questions type intoed the chat box: Can you elaborate on level of details required for design that is eligible?
The level of design eligible is broad. We are looking at full range of design activities that lead towards the type of project eligible in TIGER II. Really broad, what is eligible.
Question: What are the odds of money being provided to plan for housing on a project that may have been chosen for infrastructure in tiger one?
I think there's nothing that would prohibit, make a grant application ineligible if it was saying we received funding for tiger one to do this investment, now to do neighborhood planning, corridor planning,
to provide mixed income housing, redevelopment.
That is completely consistent with what we are trying to fund through this grant program, so that's absolutely very much an eligible activity and reflects the kind of shared go DOT and HUD have in the program
Question: Can you elaborate on implementation of plans -- to use funds to fund construction component from existing plans, is that right?
That is not correct on the HUD side. What we're looking at in terms of implementation of plans is, oftentimes there may be a great plan that gets adopted, particularly if you look at the regional scale,
the regional plan may be dependent on local jurisdictions updating their zoning, building codes, say we have a regional plan, doing a town center urban center, but zoning isn't in place.
Implementation may be those local land use implementation efforts to support the regional strategy.
Implementation my be you have a plan but there's a lot of community outreach that needs to go in the implementation of moving from the city level down to the neighborhood level, talking with people, doing the visioning efforts.
There may be other kinds of eligible activity for staff time, legal issues, things to work through in implementing a plan on the HUD community challenge program, not liking to fund construction,
but leaking looking to move the plan to those strategies, updating the building codes, for instance, to allow energy efficiency and retrofit to occur in the community.
Will there be [indiscernible] for TIGER II --
There have been and we are looking at additional ones.
There will be more [indiscernible]
I just put up the link for the TIGER II discretionary grant held on June 1.
What amount percentages are likely to be considered competitive?
It's all based on what comes in. To give you come context. In Tiger I, only had construction grants available, for every $1 in federal funding requested there were two non federal dollars offered. That's what happened last time.
Will there been a Webinar for sustainable communities regional planning program?
Will HUD NST pro recipients be [indiscernible]
If the question is you received funding under HUD's NST program and will that disadvantage you from receiving funding through this program, again, there's nothing in the NOF assaying you are disadvantaged, so no,
there's nothing within the NOFA that would preclude you from being able to apply. With all these things, it's looking at how you can leverage your resources and build the strongest application based on factors discussed.
I would encourage you to look through that.
The [indiscernible] one application, my confusion applies to how the [indiscernible] combination of discretionary and TIGER II, for regional impact in the pre-app, the description is brief,
should this issue solely mentioned in the final application?
[indiscernible] I think the question is you might be applying for both construction and planning dollars.
Just on the transportation side.
If that is the case, go ahead and put in the same application, follow the construction grant format, and just mention there are some planning activities you were looking to do as part of that construction,
recognize the most competitive grants will be ready to go very quickly. So if those planning activities are very final stage planning activities that need to be done before construction gin begins that should be fine.
But if you are just starting out planning, it's a while before the project can gain that will be a problem, particularly if construction dollars are not obligated by [indiscernible] 2012.
[indiscernible] project, there are drop-down menus that identify you are applying for construction activities, drop-down menu indicating planning activities.
Question: What was the requested portion funding for tiger one?
There were over 1400 applications totaling $60 billion for 1.5 in discretionary grants, freon 00 applications, and 51 funded.
$60 billion worth of applications, $1.5 in funding.
We expect to have at least that much requested in time and less than half the funding.
Question: Why is there a match required for the challenge grant, but not TIGER II?
I would respond to that, they both have a match requirement unless you are a rural area under TIGER II. Read the NOFA again for the distinctions in those matches.
Congress in appropriating the funding to DOT waived the match for rural communities. Congress has told HUD we must have a match but we have a broader definition of match, come which is this leveraged resources.
That leveraged resource definition and threshold, we believe that certainly rural communities are competitive, able to meet that threshold as well.
We are working very closely with our partners in Congress to address these barriers, differences that pop up, they are very receptive to working in the future to making this a little more seamless.
Question: Is the urbanized area defined by the census or [indiscernible]
The Federal Highway Administration allows the census urbanized area to be smoothed, the [indiscernible]
Application have a two-tank planning project, part one, part two selectively applies the process.
I would encourage you, look through the eligible activities, both sets of activities are eligible and so again I would read through the planning factors to see how you might want to package that,
but there's nothing inherently ineligible about what that question is posing.
Question: Can a project receive both [indiscernible] funding?
Question: The city of Los Angeles has a designated NRSA. Is there advantage there potential scoring if [indiscernible] in such a designated zone?
To the extent you can show the effort will benefit disadvantaged populations, that's something definitely worth highlighting in your application.
Leveraging those resources.
Do applications need to support an existing R FTP in the regional planning district?
It's certainly helpful to have an application that fits in with a regional mean.
It may depends -- again, there's different types of eligible activity. Some applicants may look to do planning in anticipation of infrastructure investments included in their RTP.
Some may be involved with retrofitting infrastructure and existing communities, not new infrastructure investments planned but how you better coordinate and revitalize.
It definitely depends on the type of activity on which you may be seeking funding.
Especially for planning grants, you may be just beginning to plan something that you hope will go into a future plan, regional transportation plan. So, it's certainly, in terms of construction side, probably,
in terms of demonstrating regional support for project is good, but on the planning side, if it's new, innovative, something you have not thought would have a source of funding for, at least on the federal side, in the past,
now Tiger changed that, it my be new, therefore wouldn't be in there.
If a planning project started and needs funds for a second phase, zoning revisions or -- can the funding of phase 1 counted towards the 20%?
Using your bike path example from earlier, if you already have a master plan developed for alternative transportation network can you use TIGER II for engineering and design of eye segment?
Does the 15 page limit include support and [indiscernible] of match.
I don't think so.
For transportation projects, does a regional project have to be connected directly to a national road way?
Question: Is a linked application different from a joint application?
That is must applicants apply either to HUD or [indiscernible] not both, but specify in the application a subtotal sought from the other agency?
If you are looking for funding from both HUD and DOT under these programs, you need to do it in the same application. If you are seeking funding from each of the agencies for totally different projects,
then you can do that through separate applications and need not let us know.
However, a reminder, these applications are all being submitted to the same portal, so it's not that some are going to HUD, some to DOT.
You are submitting the application to one point of entry of which we as a team will be reviewing and evaluating the application.
So, again, think of not two separate worlds, but one coordinated process we have developed.
Question: What about projects where growth will occur after seeking [indiscernible] completed?
There's there's nothing that would make that an ineligible activity, wanting to do planning for a corridor where they are seeking TIGER II funding.
No, planning funding.
I don't quite understand the question. Maybe if the questioner could elaborate, send it back in we will be able to better answer.
Question: Can you submit a project to HUD sustainable communities and TIGER II without a penalty?
If you were to submit separately there would be a penalty. You need to submit together. If it's the same project, components that apply to various programs it's one application.
For the purposes of this program there's no HUD and DOT, there's one entity.
Question: Will local planning organization, such as the South California association of governments be expected to [indiscernible]
no one is expected to partner, but to the extent that there is greater partnership you will be more competitive. The extent to which you look like you are going it alone will harm the competitiveness of the application.
Look through the NOFA, the activity you propose to take, do you have the people at the table who can help to do that? Keep in mind also if you are the applicant you have to be the grantee. If you are applying,
when we start making arrangements to do a grant agreement you must be the grantee. It cannot go to a another organization, you should not apply if you do not have the --
We are about out of time. One more question and we will wrap up.
I will talk in a minute about the questions that have gone unanswered will. Will there be another round of funding [indiscernible]
Certainly hope so.
That's in the hands of Congress.
What I can tell you is they have been very much involved and informed. They are watching with great eagerness and interest. This is the second year of Tiger. First year of HUD's program.
I believe there's a mark-up going on right now in the House of our joint spending bills and we await eagerly to see whether or not they continue the programs and certainly hope they do.
Thank you. We're out of time.
I know there's still a lot of questions we haven't addressed. We will get the presenters today to address all the questions, and get the Q&A out to everybody. We encourage you to continue submitting questions, to freight at DOT.gov,